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planetari in vuhlkansu

Differences between TGV and MGV pronunciation

Sep 17, 2009 13:21

The weekly lesson reminded me to look for this clip in Wrath of Khan - it's when Saavik and Spock are talking about Kirk in Vulcan.

Here is a link to the clip audio - http://www.4shared.com/file/133315830/d5ed007a/WOK_-_Variben_Saavik_heh_Spohkh.html
Just click the "play" button under download to stream.

Saavik: Gishen worla ikh-banut.
Spock: Wakli ak' ( Read more... )

golic vulcan

Comments 7

eternalwytch September 17 2009, 14:19:04 UTC

His sounds more...elegant, stately.

planetari September 17 2009, 14:39:15 UTC

That's what I thought, but it sounds so terribly difficult. Hearing Saavik speaking I felt so relieved, because upon hearing the ceremonial speech of the Kolinahr in The Motion Picture I thought I had been saying everything wrong up until then. :p

kiwiken October 3 2009, 20:09:06 UTC

How cool, thanks, I've been looking for that dialogue everywhere on the net, so I could listen to it over and over again without a stupid DVD :) The pronounciation *is* rather complicated, especially without example sound files ( ... )

planetari October 3 2009, 21:39:23 UTC

Since he is using ancient words, I assumed it was TGV. I think in TGV you would end up using ancient and borrowed words more often that in MGV. But you're right about the UH sound, so I'm not sure.

I know that the lessons don't mention a difference between the FSE R and the GV R, but personally I do think there is a difference. I think the R in GV is always rolled just a little bit (perhaps more so in TGV and other dialects). As for T, there aren't any differences mentioned between the GV and FSE T sound, and in English I get the impressions that a T sound at the end is somewhat swallowed, so it could be that this is also true for GV... this is what I think at least.

I still think he uses a more traditional speech (have you listened to the ceremonial speech in GV in The Motion Picture?), but it could just as well be a personal choice of his to speak using ancient, more elegant words :p

kiwiken October 4 2009, 20:54:20 UTC

Rolled r certainly match the overall sound of the language. Personally, I tend to pronounce them more like german r instead, somewhere in the throat, but I guess I also don't really have a reason to assume this is correct ( ... )

planetari October 4 2009, 21:52:36 UTC

I think the German R sound must definitely give a more traditional sound to the language. Since the development of GV was halted I see no reason to suit these small things to make ourselves comfortable using the language. If it sounds good, then it's probably good. :p
In all languages there are variations in pronunciation after all.

Ah I had forgotten about that, thanks for reminding me. I can't explain the silent T then. She seems to make a small stop after the U sound, like the FSE T, that might be why it got written down as banutMaybe it's etiquette. Since they are on duty and he is Saavik's superior, he will use formal speech. Even in English, he is always very formal in his speech and ways, as typical of Vulcans ( ... )

kiwiken October 5 2009, 19:21:12 UTC

I read that as well, but it also says that "In MGV there is only one mode of speech, whereas there are three modes of speech in Traditional Golic: Superior, Normal and Inferior. (The MGV mode is based almost entirely on the Normal Mode of TGV)."

So... I'm not sure if this would apply for MGV, or not. He certainly doesn't use any special "superior" words (like in the ceremonial speech, where she says "etwel" instead of "etek"). And neither of them seems to be using full words here, which is also said to be more formal. But I have to agree that the ancient words alone make it sound formal enough...