De mortuis -- veritas. Ньютон, Дарвин, ... Хоокинг?? (Upd наутро ради PS)

[vteninn]

Хоокинга, сообщают, похоронили рядом с Ньютоном и Дарвином.

Наденем-ка резиновую перчатку.

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По масштабу научных деяний он, конечно, с Исааком Исааковичем и Чарльзом Робертовичем рядом не сидел

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[pbi20]

Well, we have discussed it already - imho, his radiation has a bit different status from what may be classified as 'phantasm', since no any additional entities are invoked in this effect. Also, as someone has mentioned here there are experimentally found analogs in e.g. condensed matter physics as far as I am aware of. And concerning the global theorems and similar stuff - I would praise it perhaps even more than the Hawking radiation, since it is a really powerful and elegant stuff. It is true of course that the global theorem are proved by a number of people (funny enough, following your own Second Principle you've mentioned only R. Penrose due to his public fame, but there are others, e.g. R. Geroch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Geroch and B. Carter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Carter, the latter one is, by the way, a formennii dolbanyshka :)) who played a role in this activity, but are less known being of more modest external appearance..

So, in my humble opinion, one should distinguish between a public status and real professional achievements, and that someone has received a lot of public attention, honours and similar things does not necessarily means that he is not a good scientist. I am not going to compare Hawking to Einstein or Darwin, but, still, I think he was better than many of us in a purely professional sense, regardless of his conditions.

Perhaps, the reason I've decided to write something in this thread is due to the fact that at the moment I am within 100 metres from his former office and there are many people around who knew him quite well during the whole his carrier. Nobody of them compare him with other great guys leaving this job to journalists, but all feel sorry for his demise.

[vteninn]

Не вижу противоречий с содержанием записи кроме единственного пункта: гипотеза об излучении -- это всё-таки фантазм, даже если конкретный фантазм там прикрыт формулками. Тут я буду stick to my guns.

Досада, однако, в том, что пузырь, раздуваемый журналистами (научпопами-вредителями), всё-таки в условиях ВТОРОГО НАЧАЛА заметно влияет на оценки в наукоценозе, особенно если отойти подальше, чем на 100 м.

А чего, кстати, жалеть? Все мы смертны.
Ему вообще обещали пару лет, а он ещё сорок прожил -- радоваться надо ))

[pbi20]

He had around 55 years more than predicted.. I didn't know him personally, only had met on several
occasions, but some people I know were his friends or even collaborators, naturally, for at least
some of them this could be a personal loss regardless of how many years he'd managed to survive..

Sure, no doubt, I agree that his public image is quite different from the professional one,
but I personally won't exchange good health conditions to what he had..

Anyhow, let's postpone the rest to a later time, have to work, there are some ongoing troubles with
a project..

[vteninn]

А, 55 лет. Тем более.

Удачи с проектом.