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May 01, 2006 23:59

It seems as if the people we accuse of pushing their language on us really only know one phrase of that language; it is of course the "¡Sí, Se Puede!" (Yes, we can ( Read more... )

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napoleonofnerds May 2 2006, 19:59:09 UTC
What do you think they are wrong about?

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virescere May 3 2006, 01:12:33 UTC
that it is their 'right' to live and stay here despite having broken the law to get here. i assume you'll hear the same thing on clear channel radio stations, i hope that won't discredit me.

i don't, however, have any good ideas about a solution and i haven't heard any i particularly like.

what are your thoughts on the matter?

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napoleonofnerds May 3 2006, 01:28:21 UTC
They are here doing jobs nobody wants to do. I don't think they have a right to be here, but I think that it's in our best interest to have them here. Every economy needs an underclass, it's the nature of them. As I like capitolism, it's better to just let them stay.

Also, you run into sticky moral and legal issues I don't want to deal with.

If I had to do something, it would be grant an amnesty for everybody who registers as being here, and nothing else. Whole sectors of the economy would fall apart without immigrant workers doing jobs nobody wants to do. Really, do you want to clean hotel rooms, pick fruit, or ask me if I want fries with that?

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virescere May 3 2006, 01:58:25 UTC
My sticky moral and legal problem I cannot get past is simply that of granting amnesty to people who out-right committed a crime when they stepped over the border when there was the option to legally immigrate, however more difficult that might've been.

As far as the jobs, maybe, maybe not. No, I don't want to clean hotel rooms, but other Americans or legal immigrants might want to; if need be, the answer would be an increase in legal immigration.

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scottiecarp May 3 2006, 04:26:26 UTC
I don't want to clean hotel rooms either, but stating that nobody wants the jobs that the illegal immigrants do is somewhat of a broad statement. I agree that many Americans or legal immigrants might want these jobs. If anything, allowing all of these illegal immigrants to take these jobs is creating a job shortage, thereby increasing the homeless and unemployment rate. Then again, I probably have no clue what I'm talking about.

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virescere May 3 2006, 04:35:45 UTC
'WASHINGTON -- Sen. John McCain threatened on Tuesday to cut short a speech to union leaders who booed his immigration views and later challenged his statements on organized labor and the Iraq war ( ... )

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scottiecarp May 3 2006, 04:55:36 UTC
I have no doubts that I could spend an entire summer picking lettuce for $50 an hour. Let's see...2 1/2 months, let's say 9 hours a day (I don't know the true lettuce picking hours), 5 days a week, that adds up to about 60 work days at 9 hours each...comes to be $27,000 before taxes are taken out. I'd say that's a pretty decent summer job. Sarcasm included.

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esinator87 May 3 2006, 07:59:10 UTC
[I'd spend this summer in Arizona for that job offer.]

I think I would to. Arizona's such an unearthly beautiful state, and laboring outdoors makes you feel so close to the earth.

For me it would be more of a lark, however; some people, illegal immigrants and othewise, might have all their bread & butter hinge on whether or not they're able to find a job like that. And I wouldn't want to take that from them.

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esinator87 May 3 2006, 07:50:51 UTC
[Then again, I probably have no clue what I'm talking about ( ... )

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virescere May 3 2006, 19:43:00 UTC
My own U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops have similarly spoken up, Justice for Immigrants,

Their conclusion,

"The Catholic bishops are proposing an earned legalization for those in this country in an unauthorized status and who have built up equities and are otherwise admissible. “Amnesty,” as commonly understood, implies a pardon and a reward for those who did not obey immigration laws, creating inequities for those who wait for legal entry. The bishops’ proposal is not an “amnesty.”

The Bishops’ earned legalization proposal provides a window of opportunity for undocumented immigrants who are already living in our communities and contributing to our nation to come forward, pay a fine and application fee, go through rigorous criminal background checks and security screenings, demonstrate that they have paid taxes and are learning English, and obtain a visa that could lead to permanent residency, over time."

I can deal with that.

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esinator87 May 4 2006, 00:11:15 UTC
I can too.

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