We have been sitting in the back of the proverbial bus waiting for an opportune moment to ask to be treated equally. That perfect moment will never come. Heaven forbid McCain wins - do you propose that we just continue to wait
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The reality is that there will not be a time when any politician will stand up and fight for the rights of a minority group against the will of the majority. Ever
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While this issue is extremely political (obviously) this post was made in a personal sense and thought of with my personal civil liberties in mind. Legally this is the first time that i've been recognized in full by my state government and that feels newsworthy and worth remembering. I think you've both made excellent points and i can see where you're both coming from but ultimately i agree with Derrick. I've had chills all day thinking about the fact that a right i never even really desired personally is now mine and can't be denied on legal grounds. That's profoundly bizarre and while you are definitely voicing a sound opinion and one that makes a lot of sense, the personal triumph felt by the gay community at large and (hopefully) by californians on a broad level can't be denied or told "yeah that's great BUT
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I agree I am not a big fan of any of the current candidates, and Obama and Clinton are both total politicians. On the other hand, I feel McCain IS, shockingly, the most honest of the bunch. The problem is that he honestly shares his completely flawed policies which makes it evident how much deep shit we would be in if he were elected
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I understand your point, but I think it's a little ridiculous to think that a law made in California will help McCain win. Clearly, California's votes are not going to McCain. Not many people will be shocked California is finally allowing equal rights for marriage, it's probably more surprising it wasn't the first state to do so. If McCain wins, feel free to put me on a banner as a supporter of equal rights.
It's not the law that would cause MCain to win -- it's the publicity/attention; it's the national headlines it creates that draws attention to an issue, which many anti-gay/homophobic Americans have put on a backburner because they have recently had more pressing issues to worry about (like losing jobs and dropping home values).
And yes, since California is such a forward-thinking -- and high-population -- state, people fear that if it happens here, then people across the country sometimes fear it is a sign of things to come in their own back yards. It's not so much that people will be surprised -- or even care -- what happens in "crazy California" (as much of the country views it), but the problem is that they suddenly start thinking "well, if it happened there... then MAYBE it could happen here??" and they freak out and start talkin' to their militia buddies, etc.
Thats a lot of hypotheticals, and what ifs. Your scenario could happen, or could not. No one is able to predict the future...but what we can know is that as of right now, supporters of marriage equality have won a victory. The war isn't over, but we can still be happy for this day.
Also, you probably should get over this pathological need to be dour.
I actually just checked back here to edit this to be less combative as I realized that a 13.5h work day probably has put myself in a "dour" mood. Regardless its aggravating to see so many people so caught up in doom and gloom scenarios that they can't appreciate something truly awesome when it happens.
Though my personal doom and gloom hypothetical comes from if the national media picks up the supposed drunken orgy party celebration in the castro tonight. Not the best way to win a PR war.
I can't wait for fox news to draw the correlation between allowing same sex marriage and the fundamentalist mormon cult compound that was raided last month. OBVIOUSLY one leads to the other. I mean, CLEARLY.
just like they were the first time it happened The hypotheticals I am giving are not ideas I just dreamed up in my head; they come from statements and analysis that has already happened.
There's no way to know for sure if the gay marriage issue killed John Kerry's chances, but according to Dianne Feinstein, rightwing Christian leaders, and outside analysts... it did.
So are the things I mention "nails in the coffin", so to speak? No. Are they intangibles? Yes. They are not definites, but they are a definite possibility -- one which would not have existed had this overturn not taken place
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If McCain wins, feel free to put me on a banner as a supporter of equal rights.
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And yes, since California is such a forward-thinking -- and high-population -- state, people fear that if it happens here, then people across the country sometimes fear it is a sign of things to come in their own back yards. It's not so much that people will be surprised -- or even care -- what happens in "crazy California" (as much of the country views it), but the problem is that they suddenly start thinking "well, if it happened there... then MAYBE it could happen here??" and they freak out and start talkin' to their militia buddies, etc.
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Also, you probably should get over this pathological need to be dour.
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Though my personal doom and gloom hypothetical comes from if the national media picks up the supposed drunken orgy party celebration in the castro tonight. Not the best way to win a PR war.
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I can't wait for fox news to draw the correlation between allowing same sex marriage and the fundamentalist mormon cult compound that was raided last month. OBVIOUSLY one leads to the other. I mean, CLEARLY.
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just like they were the first time it happened The hypotheticals I am giving are not ideas I just dreamed up in my head; they come from statements and analysis that has already happened.
There's no way to know for sure if the gay marriage issue killed John Kerry's chances, but according to Dianne Feinstein, rightwing Christian leaders, and outside analysts... it did.
So are the things I mention "nails in the coffin", so to speak? No. Are they intangibles? Yes. They are not definites, but they are a definite possibility -- one which would not have existed had this overturn not taken place ( ... )
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