Re:deathbed change of hearte4qOctober 22 2007, 14:34:12 UTC
i think it is worth learning things even on your deathbed, in fact, i hope i do. imminent mortality is bound to make you think a bit, and even if you don't have access to concepts which match your own feelings exactly then it's still quite good if whatever it is helps you to make sense of what is, after all, a pretty unfamiliar scenario.
there was one point when i more or less convinced myself that i should become a catholic because i thought that the exercise of faith would be a good thing for me. but i prefer the idea of acceptance, it is closer to my 'real' belief, whatever that is!
blimey, i wish i 'knew' more about sex... it seems that this is one of those things where you start off 'knowing it all' and end up knowing nothing! that's how i feel about it just now, anyway. yes, i can see how having a tantric blueprint to follow would be REALLY relaxing - feeling under any duress to think of what to do next is hardly going to enhance any moment. i take it you have a partner or have had partners who you have shared this recipe with and it has worked?
i did have a trawl through but couldn't find the specific discussion on meditation and neuroscience, but there is quite a bit on the net if you type in those two words... i have no idea why i didn't make a proper link to it, and it was a while ago. now that they can image the live brain so well they can actually see loads of things which would only otherwise be able to be measured on more or less subjective questionnaires. so it is a ripe area for research. here is one link but you will find plenty on the web if you want to look.
Re:deathbed change of heartvijenoOctober 23 2007, 12:16:12 UTC
Talking about tantra and sexual knowledge, maybe it's best to think of this as a temporary solution. A crutch for the crutch, pardon the pun. You use it to get more in touch with your own desires, feelings and needs, and then you slowly start unlearning it again, and learn something else instead. Isn't it a great example of impermanence? Maybe another way to frame it is this: It is important to learn, and it's equally important to keep in mind what you're learning it for... it's for the pleasure of your body, the fulfilment of your soul, and ultimately "enlightenment." How intensely do you believe that sexual healing and sensual pleasuring are a step on the way to nirvana?
My partner shares this knowledge with me. She's still shy about talking too much straight sexual stuff... strangely, and contrary to my expectations, I found that this was not necessarily needed so much for us, in order to share this great experience. Sometimes I guide her a bit, push her a bit in some direction, but that's really more about variety and the mood of the moment.
Re: learning and unlearninge4qOctober 23 2007, 19:10:34 UTC
interesting! i know that from other things... i never thought what happens after tantra.
i certainly feel quite strongly about sex, but i hadn't thought of it as being a meditational practice as such. although, i don't see why not, after all, i certainly have had quite strong experiences even from, for instance, mindfulness of breathing.
i think, for women, often, talking, particularly during sex leads away from the moment. my feelings about it are quite contrary. i don't want to speak but i like to be spoken to, but it is better for there to be no speaking than for it to be 'wrong'.
i am currently separated from my partner, not because of relationship difficulties as such, but it has been a while and i almost can't imagine it now. so the whole question of what it could< be is completely academic for now.
Re: learning and unlearningvijenoOctober 24 2007, 09:43:44 UTC
Well, one tantric exercise is that you just visualize your breath streaming from your yoni up through the spine into your brain on inhaling - and then down through your forefront to the yoni again (and isn't it great to have such a mystical word for your genitals? I find this much more respectful than pussy, or even vagina.) ... With a partner, you can create a circle of breath through both of your bodies... You can also do it on your own if you like, of course. ;-) Hehe.
And you know, about questions being academic and such... everything changes! *g*
i had forgotten about doing that kind of breathing - do you know, i am quite daft, because i was told about that breathing technique in association with masturbation, so i practiced it for a long time on my own, but never thought of bringing it in to sex!
i am going to reinstate it, and if i ever do manage to have sex with another person again i will endeavour to remember to bring it in!
well, i sincerely hope that things do change, though exactly what things i will leave to the universe, since i can't control EVERYTHING!!!
there was one point when i more or less convinced myself that i should become a catholic because i thought that the exercise of faith would be a good thing for me. but i prefer the idea of acceptance, it is closer to my 'real' belief, whatever that is!
blimey, i wish i 'knew' more about sex... it seems that this is one of those things where you start off 'knowing it all' and end up knowing nothing! that's how i feel about it just now, anyway. yes, i can see how having a tantric blueprint to follow would be REALLY relaxing - feeling under any duress to think of what to do next is hardly going to enhance any moment. i take it you have a partner or have had partners who you have shared this recipe with and it has worked?
i did have a trawl through but couldn't find the specific discussion on meditation and neuroscience, but there is quite a bit on the net if you type in those two words... i have no idea why i didn't make a proper link to it, and it was a while ago. now that they can image the live brain so well they can actually see loads of things which would only otherwise be able to be measured on more or less subjective questionnaires. so it is a ripe area for research. here is one link but you will find plenty on the web if you want to look.
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My partner shares this knowledge with me. She's still shy about talking too much straight sexual stuff... strangely, and contrary to my expectations, I found that this was not necessarily needed so much for us, in order to share this great experience. Sometimes I guide her a bit, push her a bit in some direction, but that's really more about variety and the mood of the moment.
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i certainly feel quite strongly about sex, but i hadn't thought of it as being a meditational practice as such. although, i don't see why not, after all, i certainly have had quite strong experiences even from, for instance, mindfulness of breathing.
i think, for women, often, talking, particularly during sex leads away from the moment. my feelings about it are quite contrary. i don't want to speak but i like to be spoken to, but it is better for there to be no speaking than for it to be 'wrong'.
i am currently separated from my partner, not because of relationship difficulties as such, but it has been a while and i almost can't imagine it now. so the whole question of what it could< be is completely academic for now.
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And you know, about questions being academic and such... everything changes! *g*
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i am going to reinstate it, and if i ever do manage to have sex with another person again i will endeavour to remember to bring it in!
well, i sincerely hope that things do change, though exactly what things i will leave to the universe, since i can't control EVERYTHING!!!
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