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[meetingplace]

i have a vegan ethical question

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[turnyourback]

by treating the eggs as commodities, you're still, in turn, treating the chickens as expendable (in my opinion). it may be more ethical than a mass, factory farming situation, but it's still not vegan. if this were relating to a person, you wouldn't just take something that wasn't yours. it's the same in this situation.

[xemcats]

What about when birds use animal hair that's been naturally shed to build their nests? Is it wrong what the birds are doing? The animal that shed isn't coming back for their fur. It would just sit there and biodegrade otherwise.

[dagda_ollathir]

In those situations, the hair has been discarded- they are not still being used by the animal. One of the reasons humans are able to get so many eggs out of chickens is that a hen will continue to lay until she thinks she has enough eggs to start "getting broody" and incubating them for around 20 days before they hatch. During that period, she does not lay eggs. Some chickens also eat their own eggs.

[xemcats]

Or dung beetles, or bees that take pollen, or scavenger animals, etc etc etc.

[dagda_ollathir]

They do so out of necessity; we have no such necessity. We are in the position where we no longer need to use their products.

[xemcats]

There are lots of things that humans do that are not out of necessity. In fact, most of the things humans do are NOT out of necessity. Buying soy ice cream, watching the superbowl, making art.

But some unnecessary things harm other creatures, and I'm ethically opposed to those things, like killing animals for food, or crating cows, or stuffing hens into tiny boxes.

Picking up an abandoned unfertilized egg from your friend's yard where she keeps the happiest, most well taken care of hens in the world is not one of these things.

[dagda_ollathir]

Agreed, but you must prove the egg is abandoned.... otherwise I could use the same logic to say that it's okay to keep slaves, so long as I keep them happy and well taken care of.

[xemcats]

I really don't know how to respond to this comment.

[meetingplace]

lolllllllll

[ih8kaitlynpike]

IAWC.