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Aug 10, 2006 09:45

i can honestly say i've never thought 'i wish i wasn't vegan' before

copied from a bulletin i saw on myspace

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vgnwtch August 10 2006, 21:52:46 UTC
Not to mention articulate and absolutely spot-on.

:::Applause:::

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ryansmithxvx August 10 2006, 22:33:57 UTC
2nd-ed!

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art_junkie August 11 2006, 04:22:05 UTC
I think the same of the Ronald McDonald House.

http://www.rmhc.org/rmhc/index/about.html

*vomits a little* Such obvious irony stops being fun way too quickly.

You should be employed to rant.

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ryansmithxvx August 11 2006, 14:02:48 UTC
i do think wendy's promotion of adoption is benevolent, though. dave thomas (founder) was adopted and had a big heart for adoption. they have posters for 'adopt kids' at almost every wendy's and all over their headquarters (my mom worked there for 12 years right down the hall from dave thomas)

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True dat! art_junkie August 11 2006, 14:07:07 UTC
That is really cool; I didn't know that about Wendy's. Pushing the matter of adoption is so important especially in a strained, overpopulated world (I always get in trouble for that topic). But since the adoption issue (as far as I know) is irrelevant to the problems of the fast food industry, it therefore makes it ok/non-manipulative that they promote it ;p

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Re: True dat! ryansmithxvx August 11 2006, 19:33:58 UTC
i believe that we wouldn't argue for 'overpopulation' if people went vegan. we'd have more than enough resources for everyone

that's my $.02

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Re: True dat! vgnwtch August 11 2006, 20:55:59 UTC
And birth rates drop when populations become affluent. The biggest cause of overpopulation is poverty. And overpopulation isn't the biggest cause of over-stretched natural resources - it's disproportionate affluence, with, for example, the US beig 5% of the world's population and consuming 30% of its resources and creating 25% of its carbon pollution. So poverty and overpopulation and waste and affluence play together in really dysfunctional ways.

If the world went vegan overnight, and we suddenly began working for a relatively uniform standard of living - decent, but not lavish - overpopulation wouldn't be an issue.

Hark! What was that noise? Was it the beating of porcine wings above?

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Re: True dat! jameslentz August 16 2006, 07:21:45 UTC
Unfortunately, due to a fun mathematical phenomenom first noted by 18th-century clergyman Thomas Malthus, increasing food availability will inevitably lead to eventual famine unless population controls are in place: population increases exponentially while food resources can only increase arithematically or additively (that is, humans will always outbreed their food sources). So, if everyone were to go vegan (and we perfected food distribution, had universally-stable governments that allowed food production, and had all the other variables besides resource availability fall into place), we'd still only be fueling the breeders who would lead to another generation of people to starve somewhere down the line (called a Malthusian catastrophe after Tommyboy). Eventually we wouldn't have any unused agricultural land to compensate for those generations, and we'd be in precisely the same boat as many areas of the world are now -- except it would truly be worldwide.

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wonderfluff August 11 2006, 16:02:15 UTC
Great rebuttal!

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