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vap0rtranz

ObamaCare Script

Aug 17, 2009 22:57

In genuine patriotic spirit, I tuned into four AM talk shows today, but in banal conservative rhetoric, I heard the same Obamacare paranoia script from each show. The order of memorization by repetition was:

Glenn Beck
Rush Limbaugh
Mark Levin
Janet Parshall

By the time Mark's show aired, there were odd 'deja vu' phrases coming out of the radio. Now ( Read more... )

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Re: You didn't know? fireboy4plai August 24 2009, 06:17:57 UTC

My journal doesn't lean to the left. It practically IS the left. I bike rather than drive, I'm queer and proud of it and think queer unions should be legal, I'm a supporter of the American Indian Movement and a member of a Two-Spirit Lodge. I think that government has absolutely no right to legislate morality or be based on Biblical principle, but that Jesus was completely right in "that which you do to the least of you so you do unto me". I'd have to look Right to see FDR. No kidding I'm a leftie. But that really doesn't apply to what we've been discussing. I'm asserting that the voices of the New Right are not genuine political thinkers, these are not Goldwater Republicans, they're media darlings with stars in their eyes and $10,000 signing bonuses. How is not reading Coulter risking cognitive atrophy? You could just as easily say that not getting a tarot reading once a week risks cognitive atrophy. Coulter is a contrarian who thinks she's witty. I'd much rather be engaged in spirited debate with someone who THOUGHTFULLY ( ... )

Re: You didn't know? vap0rtranz August 24 2009, 13:59:19 UTC

God man, I've also got Goldwater on the shelf. Coulter and media darlings isn't the point. The point was understanding who listens to them in a kind of political yin-yang. Extremes of either political end tend to cause division instead of compromise. When we have a country of this size, compromise one of few ways that we can get anything done at the federal level. It's the same for large business ( ... )

Re: You didn't know? fireboy4plai August 24 2009, 17:53:39 UTC

See, this is what I'm talking about. It always takes me about two drafts to respond to paragraphs like that. Your summaries of what I've said contain some of the strangest presumptions. I have to repeat how this or that was not the connection I made. So, that biking is a left-wing darling is not my fault. And I said Michael Moore is a left wing propagandist, not spouter, the connective issue between O'Reilly and Moore is propaganda, not left-wingedness. The connection between Moore and bikes was not even implied. I was, in fact, dismissive of Moore in my original, therefore I am saying that I do not see Moore as representing a "true" left message. I thought you knew Theory Of Logic ( ... )

Re: You didn't know? vap0rtranz August 25 2009, 00:55:14 UTC

I"m at a loss to how this was spun into an attack on whatever grounds you've made for your political beliefs, because the OP and my replies have attempted to be about about people who believe the media -- Jon included -- not undermining the protagonists ( ... )

Re: You didn't know? fireboy4plai August 25 2009, 06:09:27 UTC

Well, I disagree with your idea that illogic is intrinsic to language. I think what I've said is quite straightforward, illogical analysis is unnecessary. But since that discussion could go on for several volumes (and has), I'll skip it for now. However, the grouping I chose was as a collection of things that I am and how those things are generally placed in the leftist camp. I suppose, the closest I could get to explanation, was analogy by way of exaggeration. Somewhat like when O'Reilly says things like "Of course I'm a Right-winger, I have a brain." Well, of course I must be an Egghead Commie Liberal because of all the reasons I gave. The point was more to do with your argument about originality versus rhetoric than anything to do with my politics. By virtue of who I am I tend to be lumped into the "left-wing" camp. And while I'm here I feel it's worth noting that you've never asked my feelings on gun control and yet you also mentioned that my blog is leftist, QED ( ... )

Re: You didn't know? vap0rtranz August 25 2009, 13:01:29 UTC

You've stepped on a toe and are wrong for doing it ( ... )

Re: You didn't know? fireboy4plai August 25 2009, 16:34:41 UTC

"I started wondering if News Corp owned every radio station that broadcasts talk radio on AM channels from WV to IL. That seemed unlikely but the conspicuous repitition made the shows sound like the very kind of State Media that Limbaugh claims NPR spouts out. . . Please, Republicans; be more original ( ... )

Re: You didn't know? vap0rtranz August 25 2009, 17:38:54 UTC

This is called reverse psychology. I'm not mad, so why do you infer that? If person A claims person B is insulted, then person B claims that person A inferred the insult, and around and around we go in a perennial problem well known in psychology (and arguments). I can only say that the toe being stepped on was an inference that I don't talk to Republicans but only talk *about* Republicans. THAT's disingenuous. The actual statements evidently need clarification ( ... )

Re: You didn't know? vap0rtranz August 25 2009, 17:39:06 UTC

So do you disbelieve the video montage? That montage, if it's the same one I saw, would have to be believed in order for the conclusion to be justified ( ... )

Re: You didn't know? fireboy4plai August 25 2009, 22:51:58 UTC

The quotes are all there, from your own posts. Yeah, I didn't author them, I knew that. This is bordering on sophomoric, you're choosing to make it my fault that you can't say what you mean. If you weren't talking about the listeners, you shouldn't have brought them up. I've given reason for almost everything I've said, you've chosen to just deny everything you said. Cheap trick, no matter what you said it's not your fault ( ... )

Re: You didn't know? vap0rtranz August 26 2009, 01:34:08 UTC

"Why do you keep taking ONE reference to "them" completely out of context and ascribing to me a regard for the Republicans that I have never been demonstrated to have?"

"well, that may just mean that you aren't observant" was directly born from "I don't mean to say that youre not observant or anything. ... *I* always thought they were fairly obvious about doing it." and a response title "You didn't know?" That's like the preacher implying guilt, "Well it's not for me to say and you've got to ask God about that ... but *I* wouldn't do it." If you genuinely didn't mean that as the preacher would have meant it, then I apologize.

And I already apologized for the original response being on a bad day. We're human.

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