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pontelospapes May 27 2010, 20:50:38 UTC
That's such an insightful view on TLOTR! I would never have seen so much in the book myself, but maybe it has to do with the fact that I read it 6 years ago, and I was barely 13 :S
So, I know I was young and all, buuut I seriously think that Sam was the one that destroyed the ring. Frodo is always in danger, and Sam is the one that saves him. He carries him. He feeds him. He defends him. Maybe Frodo was the one who was never able to go on with his life, but that's because, imo, he's weak-spirited. If Sam hadn't been there, I wouldn't have made it. And I know that the story is about the companionship -if Aragorn, Gimli and the others hadn't been there, the ring wouldn't have been destroyed. But that's how I see it. I'd be interested to know how you see it, though :)

the name of the movie is Cándida. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0495219/
Just thinking about the injustice of this movie makes me wanna cry :(
And I know it's even harder when people laugh about a fate that you perceice so differently. I would weep even more if the audience in real life would make fun of such a horrible fate. It's this lack of understanding which makes it worse.
I wouldn't have said it better myself. Really. Amazing!

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vanillefax June 2 2010, 22:17:55 UTC
Your comment had me thinking about Sam for a while. At first I was like, "no, Sam would never have been able to destroy the ring" because the books says so (if I remember correctly).
Then again, he is a very loyal and sincere person - and therefore less easier corruptible by the ring than a lot of other people.

Though, in the end no one was actively able to destroy the ring. It just fell accidently into the fire of Mount Doom - along with poor Gollum. Though I agree, without Sam and his loyality Frodo would have never been able to carry it this far.
But for me, Frodo is still the hero. First, he deliberatly decides to be the ring bearer - even though he already got a glimpse of these horrible dangers and perils that would come along with this task (I mean at that point he already met the gruesome Nazguls and got seriously wounded by their blade). He perfectly knew from the beginning of their quest that the fate of his friends, his home and the rest of the world was in his hands. (woah!) What an overwhelming responsibility that is. He saw his mentor Gandalf die, Boromir being corrupted by the ring and he finally had to notice that the ring was beginning to have an effect on himself. And still he didn't waver.
And the most moving part for me is that in the end he had no hope for himself anymore. He knew the ring or something else was going to destroy him. And he still went on - into his certain death. How did he manage do to it?! I guess this is the point when Sam became really really important. So maybe Frodo was weak-spirited but he had every reason to be so. ;)

For me Sam is a quite naive and simple character. In that situation it is a forte. But I'm not entirely sure he would have been able to comprehend the enormity of their task and carry the ring alone. Though I think it was Sam's simplicity and desire to live that saved them in the end.

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pontelospapes June 20 2010, 18:02:17 UTC
ok, now I've been thinking about this.
Maybe the most praiseworthy thing about Frodo is the fact that, though being weak-spirited AND knowing it, he decided to take on the challenge and destroy the ring.
But I think that Sam is praiseworthy too, because he was loyal till the end to Frodo. He was always there for him even when Frodo suspected him and yelled at him, and I just love that :)

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vanillefax June 20 2010, 20:31:28 UTC
I think that Sam is praiseworthy too

Yes, yes, he is! :)
No matter what Frodo and he had to go through, Sam never gave up on them, he did feel black despair and yet he managed to stay true to himself and their quest.
I was so glad that at the end Sam was actually able to go on with his life - marrying, having children and becoming a respected authority as the mayor. For me, Sam represents life and hope, and since the book ends with Sam I started to feel better again. :)

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