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Jul 07, 2007 16:48


As many of you are aware, I am not a CLois 'shipper - nor indeed even typically a 'shipper. I find that with the exception of some talented fanfiction writers as well as the more mature and relevant writers working in comics - no one seems to be able to write a Clark and [insert female love interest's name here] pairing to save their lives and that ( Read more... )

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van_el July 7 2007, 15:24:31 UTC

You ARE lucky, because between Geoff Johns and Kurt Busiek (Come back onto (Mighty) Avengers and Iron Man! I'm sure Marvel has the money to beat your current exclusive deal!) they have mostly fixed the problems in the marriage. The fact that Lois is very sidelined is also a nagging issue for me because prior to that, after John Byrne rebooted things in Man of Steel in 1986 - Lois became somewhat kick-ass, true to her reporter job, not a damsel in distress and NOT FAWNING OVER SUPERMAN ALL THE TIME!

Pretty much the entire run up to the marriage after Dan Jurgens' run on the Death and Return of Superman, the engagement and marriage went very wonky. It's taken them this long to get it to some modicum of workability.

On the off topic side of things, there are two major reasons for the delay. Donner, while capable of crafting a wonderful story, has had to fulfill his regular Hollywood commitments, and Johns doesn't want to derail the project Andy Kubert, as gorgeous as his art is is historically slow-going (he can only pull off 40 pages of art in a single month if he were purely on pencils according to his last Marvel Talent Pool Analysis), and with him doing art duties on more than just Action Comics - he's stretched. The result is the need for the weeird fill ins and Johns desperately trying to tie it in to the current storyline in something close to an editorial fashion (as Didio won't do it, it seems).

Could always be worse… Eddie berganza could have handled this and given it his "Supergirl" touch

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htbthomas July 7 2007, 15:40:35 UTC
I guess I won't go back and read the pre-Busiek/Johns arcs. I'll just stick to the things I have been recommended.

Well, I still say that they should have let Donner and Kubert finish everything before starting to publish... Sigh.

Do I even WANT to know about Berganza? (I don't read that title - the only thing I know is the Superman-Batman arc from a few years ago).

[And I say it's only fair that Marvel steal them back... I'm not sure these "exclusive deals" are all they're cracked up to be... *still mourns the loss of McKeever*]

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van_el July 7 2007, 16:02:36 UTC

Well, there are moments before Busiek and Johns, don't get me wrong - but in my mind there are only a few exceptions where the CLois is relevant and GOOD. Otherwise she becomes arm-candy to the Man of Tomorrow (which I don't think you'll appreciate much)

Eddie is actually a good editor and well meaning. the problem is that he was the was the editor of Supergirl up until issue #15 when he was taken off the book due to a DC Nation open-letter calling to female fans to help him lift his sales figures.

The book had opened to 55.4k/month EXCL. V. Covers (astounding for a new book with an unclear audience) sales, and had dramatically dropped readers to barely 33.7k INCL. (She-Hulk and Spider-Girl levels of "save me from cancellation please!") inside of four months. In an effort to bolster the book, Eddie wrote this BIZZARE letter, which resulted in the blogosphere spontaneously combusting, and Eddie being excised from the title a couple of months later.

While I agree that they should have been allowed to finish, between DiDio and the Warner Brothers upper management - they had final say and let them run with it. I'd have waited, but others wouldn't. Someone would have been pissed off after the hype they created about Donner & Kubert, so undoubtedly they made the gamble.

Hey, you LOVE Strangers in Paradise Take some solace in the fact that Terry Moore is about to take over as regular writer on Spider-Man ♥ Mary-Jane!

And Sean's going to be handling some of the best characters (IMHO) DC has to offer (Teen Titans & Birds of Prey)!
P.S. - note that I have edited the original LJ post now!

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htbthomas July 7 2007, 16:40:06 UTC
Okay, being a total n00b in the DC comics fandom, I'm not not sure what was so offensive about that letter...? But then again, I also don't understand why half the female DC comics fans on LJ went ballistic over the Black Canary/Green Arrow wedding issues (oh, the rage).

I do love SIP. I didn't even read it until I found out Moore was taking over SMLMJ, though. And now I breathe a sigh of relief that my favorite book does indeed have a worth successor. So I'll give Teen Titans a try, as I said. :)

And I wouldn't say I'm ordering you to write... *hides pointy sceptre behind back* (I adore the ™ on my name, though. The Queen is well pleased.)

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van_el July 7 2007, 17:07:55 UTC

The problem is that his writing style - according to the more militant Comic-book FemiNazis - is that his writing betrays DC Comic's mysogynistic outlook on comic book publishing. While I wouldn't go THAT far myself, I conceed that the letter has a lot of D'OH! moments such as:

  • Stating the need for a (token? that's the apparent implication) female editorial assistant to make contributions like, "she needs to put on a little more weight to look normal," but seemingly not on things like story and character.
  • Equating the dubious parental demand that Kara-Zor-El murder Superman to a child's household chore. (WTF?)
  • The "Apples and Pears" comparison of the Supergirl book to the Smallville TV series (Kara is a 16 year old who lived on Argo through to her teens, she feels like she's on a backwater hick world and she was aware of her potential powers before landing on Earth.)
  • Using the really messed up, weird and downright cracky plot-lines used in the title to describe her as a "typical" teenaged girl...
  • Stating that creating a mimbo character resolves the problem of having bimbo characters because the complaints against the issues of coistume design etc. are a lack of these in male characters, and not the existence of the problems themselves (see Powerboy reference).
  • Suggesting female readers want an "All American Sweetheart" character.
  • Implying female readers need to look at books purely aimed at them.

The problem is that because of the wording and phrasing, these avoidable d'oh moments may never have happened and Eddie might still be editing Supergirl.

The reason that LJ is up in arms is that Ollie has historically been a ladies man who has been cavalier and unfaithful and downright dismissive of Dinah. The guy has had children with no less than three women for pete's sake - and that's from affairs he had whilst still romanitcally attached to Miss Lance. The idea that a woman could "degrade" herself by "taking the pig back" beggars their belief because they don't understand how a person can go back to an abusive spouse (which detractors of the wedding claim Ollie to be). I understand the concern, but also take it with the twin pinches of salt that ollie does want to settle down and does love Dinah - despite his chequered history in the relationship, and that this sort of illogical, irrational accepting of an unfaithful or abusive spouse happens in real life!

Such is fandom though...

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htbthomas July 7 2007, 17:33:36 UTC
Okay... I might have been more offended if I had anything really invested in those characters (see my annoyance with the 616 Spidey titles right now).

Thanks for clearing it up!

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van_el July 7 2007, 17:35:40 UTC
Preaching to the choir. When they didn't lose me after "the Other", they did after "Civil War"...

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van_el July 7 2007, 17:31:08 UTC
And I wouldn't say I'm ordering you to write... *hides pointy sceptre behind back* (I adore the ™ on my name, though. The Queen is well pleased.)

Would now be a good time to admit to and apologise for never having EVER read Déjà Vu, or indeed any of your other work?

*cowers behind nearest piece of hard cover*

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htbthomas July 7 2007, 17:39:56 UTC
LOL... I actually kind of figured you hadn't... but it's better to know that you just haven't read than wondering if you just weren't a fan... :D

Well, I must say, if you ever DO give it a try, there's absolutely none of the *ahem* steamy stuff until nearly the end. And the one-shots for 12days_of_clois are all decidedly post-DV (with varying degrees of ratings), so I'd wait to read them until after.

I've been meaning to read your work as well... *blush* We just happened to click on the comics discussions.

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van_el July 7 2007, 17:46:36 UTC

Well, at present, my work consists of a first chapter to a fanon-fiction series that's STILL going through the draft stage for Chapter 2, several original fictions, a no longer published OFFICIALLY ENDORSED fanfiction and a "Science of Superheroes" style entry on (green) Kryptonite. There's not much to read, and absolutely no fogging of any panes of glass involved.

If comic book discussion is your thing and you have Yahoo! - feel free to add this Brit to your contacts list (my yahoo email address should be listed on my no longer sparse profile).

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htbthomas July 7 2007, 19:22:58 UTC
Have you thought of reposting this "officially endorsed" fanfiction here on LJ?

I couldn't find the Yahoo addy, either...

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van_el July 7 2007, 19:31:02 UTC

I would, but AOL technically own it because it was on the old Marvel-Online site, and I only retain copyright for the third chapter of the fic (Marvel own the first chapter, chapers 2, 3 and 4 by the individual winners - Threaded Web was a competition where you entered a chapter of between 4000 and 8000 words to continue the story, and if you won, yours was published.)

Because of that legal limbo, I don't know it's worth posting what amounts to a chapter that falls mid-way through a story. That, and the fic was so heavily tied to then-current canon, that it's hardly relevant.

As for my Yahoo, fee free to add Van_el_ii to your list.

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