WINGS OF DESIRE - PART II
Some Bad. Some Good. Mostly a big black hole, but at least there's somewhere to go now to read Wings Of Desire.
This morning the Live Journal Abuse Team responded in greater detail to another email from me.
Below is an answer to your support question regarding "Inquiry".
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Dear LiveJournal user valucas,
Abuse varies a great deal from case to case. In most cases, the journal
holder is able to get the journal reinstated after some variable length
of time if the person agrees to make some form of ammends. However,
there are instances where a journal is suspended permanently. The most
likely reasons for a permanent suspension is a journal that is created
solely to harass someone else, one that is deemed massively offensive, one that is being used illegally, or one that is held by someone who
repeatedly violates the Terms of Service. But most often suspensions are
temporary, so long as the person is willing to work with the abuse team to resolve the issue.
Warnings are also variable. It depends on whether removing the item is
seen as sufficient to fix the problem created and the urgency of
getting the material out of public view. A blatantly inexcusable action that cannot be rectified easily may get a suspension first, since it'd be
somewhat odd to tell a user that there has been a violation, we wish the
behavior changed, and then we will suspend the journal anyway for a
time to make the severity of it clear. Similarly, if we found someone
posting someone else's personal information that might be harmful such as
an address, phone number, or similar, then we would suspend immediately
to try to minimize the damage caused by that. In cases such as that the
journal could still have a chance of being reinstated, they're just
going to have to work out the issue while it is suspended.
The nature of abuse requests is very varied, and while we have strict
guidelines that we follow, we try to make each action appropriate to the
individual case. This makes it difficult to explain general principles.
And this is just an attempt to summarize a whole lot of ideas into some
coherent form. I hope it makes some sense and gets the ideas across
accurately.
And while this may or may not matter to you, the abuse team does not
actively hunt for people to suspend. We investigate things that get
complained about to abuse. So no action is taken against a journal that is not bothering anyone. This may be obvious, since we wouldn't have any
way of finding a journal that isn't bothering anybody. We can't just
regularly read all of LiveJournal. But since we don't publicize our
methods, sometimes people get incorrect impressions. I hope that at least
clears up some things about LiveJournal abuse for you.
Regards,
LiveJournal Abuse Team
So, if what's they're saying is true and if what Yoshi Ooshi is say is true, then everything should work out fine, as long as the lines of communication stay open. Right? Maybe, except here's the email I got from Yoshi Ooshi this morning.
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Hi Vikki,
Yes, I'm up and running on Dead Journal. But hoping that Live Journal will re-instate me. I've written to them several times, but haven't heard a whisper in the way of a reply. So I don't know what's happening.
Thanks for actively supporting me. I really appreciate it.
All the best
Yoshi
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So it seems to me that the LJ Abuse Team makes it sound like there's a dialogue, but according to Yoshi Ooshi, there's none. Right? Who knows.
But speaking of right, in my attempts yesterday to make contact with the "right" people at Live Journal to whom I could complain and with whom I could argue, I did 2 things:
1) I put a post on the LJ open support boardand
2) I sent an email to abuse@livejournal.com
Here's the response I got from Live Journal pertaining to these two - count the TWO - actions:
Below is a comment on your support question regarding "Censorship?".
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Flooding abuse will not accomplish anything productive. If the journal owner wants to write in and ask questions or state his/her side of the story, it will be listened to. Flooding abuse will most likely have no effect or slow down abuse, which would mean that any changes abuse would intend to make would take longer to happen. Abuse looks at
information, sending new information is useful. Sending the exact same
information multiple times is pointless and harmful.
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Niiiiice! This over 2 posts. At work I'm always so pissed when someone who isn't getting their job done tells me that, maybe if I'd follow up with them a little less often, they might be able to get to my file. Wonderful! Do you really think they will get to my file faster if I quit calling? Hmmmmmm?
Meanwhile I got a great response from Alceste commenting on how quickly Live Journal had gone from alternative venue to corporate b.s. So True.
Finally I got the following from Yoshi Ooshi, and glad to receive it I was:
Yoshi Ooshi?s Live Journal, ?wingsofdesire? was suspended for ?spamming? offences. It is unknown, at present, whether it will be re-instated or permanently deleted.
Yoshi has written to Live Journal abuse, pleading his case, and he is hoping that his Live Journal will be re-instated.
Because the future of his journal is unknown, he has joined Dead Journal and has posted up all his previous Live Journal entries at this URL: http://www.deadjournal.com/users/wingsofdelight/
He will post new entries here, as of today.
This letter is an attempt to contact all the people he was a friend of. If you know anyone who had ?wingsofdesire? as a friend, or who might have, please relay this information to them.
Yoshi Ooshi would like to thank everyone who followed his journal; and he hopes that they will make it over to deadjournal.com to continue following his journal.
Y'all come. That's it for now!
This morning the Live Journal Abuse Team responded in greater detail to another email from me.
Below is an answer to your support question regarding "Inquiry".
======================================================================
Dear LiveJournal user valucas,
Abuse varies a great deal from case to case. In most cases, the journal
holder is able to get the journal reinstated after some variable length
of time if the person agrees to make some form of ammends. However,
there are instances where a journal is suspended permanently. The most
likely reasons for a permanent suspension is a journal that is created
solely to harass someone else, one that is deemed massively offensive, one that is being used illegally, or one that is held by someone who
repeatedly violates the Terms of Service. But most often suspensions are
temporary, so long as the person is willing to work with the abuse team to resolve the issue.
Warnings are also variable. It depends on whether removing the item is
seen as sufficient to fix the problem created and the urgency of
getting the material out of public view. A blatantly inexcusable action that cannot be rectified easily may get a suspension first, since it'd be
somewhat odd to tell a user that there has been a violation, we wish the
behavior changed, and then we will suspend the journal anyway for a
time to make the severity of it clear. Similarly, if we found someone
posting someone else's personal information that might be harmful such as
an address, phone number, or similar, then we would suspend immediately
to try to minimize the damage caused by that. In cases such as that the
journal could still have a chance of being reinstated, they're just
going to have to work out the issue while it is suspended.
The nature of abuse requests is very varied, and while we have strict
guidelines that we follow, we try to make each action appropriate to the
individual case. This makes it difficult to explain general principles.
And this is just an attempt to summarize a whole lot of ideas into some
coherent form. I hope it makes some sense and gets the ideas across
accurately.
And while this may or may not matter to you, the abuse team does not
actively hunt for people to suspend. We investigate things that get
complained about to abuse. So no action is taken against a journal that is not bothering anyone. This may be obvious, since we wouldn't have any
way of finding a journal that isn't bothering anybody. We can't just
regularly read all of LiveJournal. But since we don't publicize our
methods, sometimes people get incorrect impressions. I hope that at least
clears up some things about LiveJournal abuse for you.
Regards,
LiveJournal Abuse Team
So, if what's they're saying is true and if what Yoshi Ooshi is say is true, then everything should work out fine, as long as the lines of communication stay open. Right? Maybe, except here's the email I got from Yoshi Ooshi this morning.
*****************************
Hi Vikki,
Yes, I'm up and running on Dead Journal. But hoping that Live Journal will re-instate me. I've written to them several times, but haven't heard a whisper in the way of a reply. So I don't know what's happening.
Thanks for actively supporting me. I really appreciate it.
All the best
Yoshi
*****************************
So it seems to me that the LJ Abuse Team makes it sound like there's a dialogue, but according to Yoshi Ooshi, there's none. Right? Who knows.
But speaking of right, in my attempts yesterday to make contact with the "right" people at Live Journal to whom I could complain and with whom I could argue, I did 2 things:
1) I put a post on the LJ open support boardand
2) I sent an email to abuse@livejournal.com
Here's the response I got from Live Journal pertaining to these two - count the TWO - actions:
Below is a comment on your support question regarding "Censorship?".
======================================================================
Flooding abuse will not accomplish anything productive. If the journal owner wants to write in and ask questions or state his/her side of the story, it will be listened to. Flooding abuse will most likely have no effect or slow down abuse, which would mean that any changes abuse would intend to make would take longer to happen. Abuse looks at
information, sending new information is useful. Sending the exact same
information multiple times is pointless and harmful.
********************
Niiiiice! This over 2 posts. At work I'm always so pissed when someone who isn't getting their job done tells me that, maybe if I'd follow up with them a little less often, they might be able to get to my file. Wonderful! Do you really think they will get to my file faster if I quit calling? Hmmmmmm?
Meanwhile I got a great response from Alceste commenting on how quickly Live Journal had gone from alternative venue to corporate b.s. So True.
Finally I got the following from Yoshi Ooshi, and glad to receive it I was:
Yoshi Ooshi?s Live Journal, ?wingsofdesire? was suspended for ?spamming? offences. It is unknown, at present, whether it will be re-instated or permanently deleted.
Yoshi has written to Live Journal abuse, pleading his case, and he is hoping that his Live Journal will be re-instated.
Because the future of his journal is unknown, he has joined Dead Journal and has posted up all his previous Live Journal entries at this URL: http://www.deadjournal.com/users/wingsofdelight/
He will post new entries here, as of today.
This letter is an attempt to contact all the people he was a friend of. If you know anyone who had ?wingsofdesire? as a friend, or who might have, please relay this information to them.
Yoshi Ooshi would like to thank everyone who followed his journal; and he hopes that they will make it over to deadjournal.com to continue following his journal.
Y'all come. That's it for now!