Oh well not that this matters, but I wanted to correct myself on certain things I said above in my entry:
Now I really think about it, its not the fact there was a near Jona/Cagalli wedding that bothers me about the way they wrote Athrun/Cagalli. The near wedding had more meaning to the plot than the harem storyline did, and I already thought that the Cagalli/Jona engagement was appropriate - annoying, but appropriate, and it made for a good story. And even though I still feel it wasn't *necessary* for Athrun to go back to PLANT/ZAFT, I still wouldn't have minded that he did. Key word here being wouldn't.
The thing is, as a few other insightful people pointed out, Athrun was supposed to be doing this for ORB's sake. He was really only there to check out the situation at PLANT and make sure things didn't get out of hand. But when he had the chance to go back to the AA and rejoin his friends, he didn't. And he even seemed prepared to fight against ORB. And his character got bastardized. That, even more than the fact that they reduced Cagalli into a crybaby, made me want to kill the writers.
I wouldn't have even minded the fact that Athrun and Cagalli were separated for 10/20 episodes. Even though I still didn't feel a love pentagon (if it could even be called that - it was a pretty pathetic pentagon) was necessary, I would've enjoyed seeing Athrun and Cagalli's love triumph, despite time, distance, and other people going after them. I thought that, even though they were walking different paths, their destination was the same and they would meet up, sooner or later, and rejoin each other. I'm repeating some stuff here, but I was looking forward to seeing their relationship strengthen instead of weaken. But it didn't.
I was looking forward to seeing their relationship strengthen instead of weaken. But it didn't.
The thing is we don't know where asucaga even stands right now. One minute they're having flashbacks to each other, but then Athrun just says "Archangel" instead of "Cagalli" to seeing the explosion, giving fuel to the anti-asucaga people - though the KiraxAthrun fans must be happy. XD Then again Cagalli didn't react much to Kira's chopping up Saviour either. Another argument could be that these two spend more time thinking of each other anyway than say, Kira and Lacus. It's inconsistent.
The harem pissed me off in so many ways, but you all knew that. =) It made the harem look stupid, and if they're ever going to do anything cool (like Meyrin's rescue next week) or take a stand different from the current one of Minerva, at the back of my mind I'll be wondering if they did it because of their own beliefs or if it's just because they like Athrun. Not to mention because of the way the harem was portrayed (as if they were real possibilities for Athrun when instead I'm not sure he even sees them as girls as opposed to just co-workers), people were quicker to pair him off with whoever he shared the screen with. Then some asucaga fans were forced to declare their undying love in uh, not very logical ways, earning the entire asucaga fandom the label 'stupid and rabid.' It's even worse for those that dislike Lunamaria - I dislike her because I think she as a character sucks, not because of asucaga, but it's as if my asucagaishness is what's blinding me. The harem, along with the Kira vs. Shinn war, created a lot of bad feeling in the fandom, only unlike the Kira vs. Shinn thing, the harem is turning out to be one of the most useless plots in GSD. All those arguments were for what?
Though in a weird way, the harem kind of showed that Athrun's not interested in anyone other than Cagalli, was that the point? Or was it really just so that his adoring fans could help him out? But they could have helped him without having a crush, which weakened their characters. Great, I'm going in circles.
Plus it was unfair that Athrun had all those girls when all Cagalli got was Jona the Jerk (but Assrun's a Jerk too), and the only other male she spends great amounts of time with is... her brother. They're cute (and right now I think they have the best, most functional relationship in the CE universe), but not shippable unless you're into twincest. If I'm going to have to read a whole bunch of posts about how Athrun's better off with someone else, there should have been an equal amount of 'Cagalli should be with so and so instead' posts just to be balance it out.
And I haven't even mentioned all the ways Athrun pissed me off. But I'm ranting without making sense - I don't even know what it is I'm saying - so I'll stop now.
Then some asucaga fans were forced to declare their undying love in uh, not very logical ways, earning the entire asucaga fandom the label 'stupid and rabid.'
XD Well most of us may be rabid, but most of us aren't stupid. We have a right to complain about a lazy, badly done story. And I still have yet to meet one asucaga fanass. The most I've seen that you can classify as "fanass" behavior is when people go "EEK!!! Athrun and Cagalli are getting SEPARATED!!! *panic* *panic*" And even though its silly behavior, I don't think its anything destructive. And if any other pairing was in trouble, I'm sure they'd act like that. And they have every right to do so. The only thing they don't have a right to do is bash the other characters - which truthfully I haven't seen anyone do, either. I've seen people dislike Meer and Lunamaria, but they've never hated on their character and they disliked them for reasons outside of asucaga.
I mean, I'm sure there are SOME asucaga fanasses out there, but I'm just saying they don't occupy the MAJORITY of the fandom, as some people seem to think, and there's less asucaga fanass behavior going on than they think. And besides, I've seen more and heard more about anti-asucaga fanass behavior than I've seen asucaga fanass behavior.
As for Athrun, I'm still slightly mad at him, and I still don't believe he even deserves to be with Cagalli right now XP). And yes, it would've been nice to see Cagalli interact with other males more, and in my head right now, I am crack!shipping Yzak x Cagalli x Rey XDDDD (Speaking of Yzak x Cagalli, there's actually quite a number of fans who ship that couple in Japan, along with Yzak x Fllay and the other yaoi pairings =DDDD)
But I do *kinda* feel sorry for Athrun. Both the asucaga people and the anti-asucaga people aren't happy with him. Asucaga people think he's a sorry jerk (as do I) and anti-Asucaga people think he's pathetic (which I think so too).
I still believe Athrun and Cagalli will make it through as a couple though - and its not just the biased asucaga optimism blinding me =). Like you said before, asucaga is salvageable and they seem happier together than apart. And I'll cheer for them when/if they should get back together as an item.
But yeah even if it that doesn't happen, as long as Athrun and Cagalli get a resolution - as friends or whatnot - I'll be content. Besides, we always have SEED ^_^
But you all know that wasn't meant in a holier-than-thou way, right? I have an almost pathological fear of offending people.
Of course I know! *hug* Don't worry about it.
The only one I have from GS is Anno na however-the-rest-of-the-title goes, which is my favorite.
Its one of my favorites too, along with Akatsuki no Kuruma (one of Cagalli's image songs ^__^) and Reason by Nami Tamaki. Its a really pretty song! And all of Lacus's songs are pretty, especially Fields of Hope. And if you like Anna Issho Datta no Ni, I'm sure you'll like the instrumental version, which is called Anna Issho Datta no Ni ~Athrun Zala Feeling~. It played during the breakup scene between Fllay and Kira, and also during the reunion between Kira and Athrun in Phase 39 of SEED, as well as the reunion between Athrun and the twins in Phase 24 of GSD.
You can definitely ask me for the songs at a later time ^_^! And yes, Just Communication is an awesome song <3 Its one of the first Japanese songs I've liked.
So who was your favorite character from Gundam Wing? Mine was Duo XD
"EEK!!! Athrun and Cagalli are getting SEPARATED!!! *panic* *panic*"
Uh, I was one of those.
I've seen more and heard more about anti-asucaga fanass behavior than I've seen asucaga fanass behavior.
I've actually seen a few asucaga fanatics, but they're confined to a few places. The anti-asucaga people who can be really hurtful seem to be all over the place though.
And all of Lacus's songs are pretty, especially Fields of Hope.
I actually have a thing for the Meer version of I forgot what that song was called. It's more fun than the original. But the PLANTS are so dumb, that's like a big clue that 'Lacus' is a fake. What self-respecting singer has the same song for more than 2 years?
So who was your favorite character from Gundam Wing? Mine was Duo XD
Mine was Duo also, he had so much joy. Followed by Zechs cause he was just so pretty, and Heero because I like the trained killer thing. Hey, Kill Bill (both) was one of the greatest movies of all time. XD
The thing is we don't know where asucaga even stands right now. One minute they're having flashbacks to each other, but then Athrun just says "Archangel" instead of "Cagalli" to seeing the explosion, giving fuel to the anti-asucaga people - though the KiraxAthrun fans must be happy. XD Then again Cagalli didn't react much to Kira's chopping up Saviour either. Another argument could be that these two spend more time thinking of each other anyway than say, Kira and Lacus. It's inconsistent.
It *is* inconsistent. And I was disappointed he didn't say Cagalli's name. But then, a lot of things in Gundam SEED are inconsistent and its obvious to me they still love each other a lot, even if they don't show it sometimes XD
Now I really think about it, its not the fact there was a near Jona/Cagalli wedding that bothers me about the way they wrote Athrun/Cagalli. The near wedding had more meaning to the plot than the harem storyline did, and I already thought that the Cagalli/Jona engagement was appropriate - annoying, but appropriate, and it made for a good story. And even though I still feel it wasn't *necessary* for Athrun to go back to PLANT/ZAFT, I still wouldn't have minded that he did. Key word here being wouldn't.
The thing is, as a few other insightful people pointed out, Athrun was supposed to be doing this for ORB's sake. He was really only there to check out the situation at PLANT and make sure things didn't get out of hand. But when he had the chance to go back to the AA and rejoin his friends, he didn't. And he even seemed prepared to fight against ORB. And his character got bastardized. That, even more than the fact that they reduced Cagalli into a crybaby, made me want to kill the writers.
I wouldn't have even minded the fact that Athrun and Cagalli were separated for 10/20 episodes. Even though I still didn't feel a love pentagon (if it could even be called that - it was a pretty pathetic pentagon) was necessary, I would've enjoyed seeing Athrun and Cagalli's love triumph, despite time, distance, and other people going after them. I thought that, even though they were walking different paths, their destination was the same and they would meet up, sooner or later, and rejoin each other. I'm repeating some stuff here, but I was looking forward to seeing their relationship strengthen instead of weaken. But it didn't.
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The thing is we don't know where asucaga even stands right now. One minute they're having flashbacks to each other, but then Athrun just says "Archangel" instead of "Cagalli" to seeing the explosion, giving fuel to the anti-asucaga people - though the KiraxAthrun fans must be happy. XD Then again Cagalli didn't react much to Kira's chopping up Saviour either. Another argument could be that these two spend more time thinking of each other anyway than say, Kira and Lacus. It's inconsistent.
The harem pissed me off in so many ways, but you all knew that. =) It made the harem look stupid, and if they're ever going to do anything cool (like Meyrin's rescue next week) or take a stand different from the current one of Minerva, at the back of my mind I'll be wondering if they did it because of their own beliefs or if it's just because they like Athrun. Not to mention because of the way the harem was portrayed (as if they were real possibilities for Athrun when instead I'm not sure he even sees them as girls as opposed to just co-workers), people were quicker to pair him off with whoever he shared the screen with. Then some asucaga fans were forced to declare their undying love in uh, not very logical ways, earning the entire asucaga fandom the label 'stupid and rabid.' It's even worse for those that dislike Lunamaria - I dislike her because I think she as a character sucks, not because of asucaga, but it's as if my asucagaishness is what's blinding me. The harem, along with the Kira vs. Shinn war, created a lot of bad feeling in the fandom, only unlike the Kira vs. Shinn thing, the harem is turning out to be one of the most useless plots in GSD. All those arguments were for what?
Though in a weird way, the harem kind of showed that Athrun's not interested in anyone other than Cagalli, was that the point? Or was it really just so that his adoring fans could help him out? But they could have helped him without having a crush, which weakened their characters. Great, I'm going in circles.
Plus it was unfair that Athrun had all those girls when all Cagalli got was Jona the Jerk (but Assrun's a Jerk too), and the only other male she spends great amounts of time with is... her brother. They're cute (and right now I think they have the best, most functional relationship in the CE universe), but not shippable unless you're into twincest. If I'm going to have to read a whole bunch of posts about how Athrun's better off with someone else, there should have been an equal amount of 'Cagalli should be with so and so instead' posts just to be balance it out.
And I haven't even mentioned all the ways Athrun pissed me off. But I'm ranting without making sense - I don't even know what it is I'm saying - so I'll stop now.
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XD Well most of us may be rabid, but most of us aren't stupid. We have a right to complain about a lazy, badly done story. And I still have yet to meet one asucaga fanass. The most I've seen that you can classify as "fanass" behavior is when people go "EEK!!! Athrun and Cagalli are getting SEPARATED!!! *panic* *panic*" And even though its silly behavior, I don't think its anything destructive. And if any other pairing was in trouble, I'm sure they'd act like that. And they have every right to do so. The only thing they don't have a right to do is bash the other characters - which truthfully I haven't seen anyone do, either. I've seen people dislike Meer and Lunamaria, but they've never hated on their character and they disliked them for reasons outside of asucaga.
I mean, I'm sure there are SOME asucaga fanasses out there, but I'm just saying they don't occupy the MAJORITY of the fandom, as some people seem to think, and there's less asucaga fanass behavior going on than they think. And besides, I've seen more and heard more about anti-asucaga fanass behavior than I've seen asucaga fanass behavior.
As for Athrun, I'm still slightly mad at him, and I still don't believe he even deserves to be with Cagalli right now XP). And yes, it would've been nice to see Cagalli interact with other males more, and in my head right now, I am crack!shipping Yzak x Cagalli x Rey XDDDD (Speaking of Yzak x Cagalli, there's actually quite a number of fans who ship that couple in Japan, along with Yzak x Fllay and the other yaoi pairings =DDDD)
But I do *kinda* feel sorry for Athrun. Both the asucaga people and the anti-asucaga people aren't happy with him. Asucaga people think he's a sorry jerk (as do I) and anti-Asucaga people think he's pathetic (which I think so too).
I still believe Athrun and Cagalli will make it through as a couple though - and its not just the biased asucaga optimism blinding me =). Like you said before, asucaga is salvageable and they seem happier together than apart. And I'll cheer for them when/if they should get back together as an item.
But yeah even if it that doesn't happen, as long as Athrun and Cagalli get a resolution - as friends or whatnot - I'll be content. Besides, we always have SEED ^_^
But you all know that wasn't meant in a holier-than-thou way, right? I have an almost pathological fear of offending people.
Of course I know! *hug* Don't worry about it.
The only one I have from GS is Anno na however-the-rest-of-the-title goes, which is my favorite.
Its one of my favorites too, along with Akatsuki no Kuruma (one of Cagalli's image songs ^__^) and Reason by Nami Tamaki. Its a really pretty song! And all of Lacus's songs are pretty, especially Fields of Hope. And if you like Anna Issho Datta no Ni, I'm sure you'll like the instrumental version, which is called Anna Issho Datta no Ni ~Athrun Zala Feeling~. It played during the breakup scene between Fllay and Kira, and also during the reunion between Kira and Athrun in Phase 39 of SEED, as well as the reunion between Athrun and the twins in Phase 24 of GSD.
You can definitely ask me for the songs at a later time ^_^! And yes, Just Communication is an awesome song <3 Its one of the first Japanese songs I've liked.
So who was your favorite character from Gundam Wing? Mine was Duo XD
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Uh, I was one of those.
I've seen more and heard more about anti-asucaga fanass behavior than I've seen asucaga fanass behavior.
I've actually seen a few asucaga fanatics, but they're confined to a few places. The anti-asucaga people who can be really hurtful seem to be all over the place though.
And all of Lacus's songs are pretty, especially Fields of Hope.
I actually have a thing for the Meer version of I forgot what that song was called. It's more fun than the original. But the PLANTS are so dumb, that's like a big clue that 'Lacus' is a fake. What self-respecting singer has the same song for more than 2 years?
So who was your favorite character from Gundam Wing? Mine was Duo XD
Mine was Duo also, he had so much joy. Followed by Zechs cause he was just so pretty, and Heero because I like the trained killer thing. Hey, Kill Bill (both) was one of the greatest movies of all time. XD
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It *is* inconsistent. And I was disappointed he didn't say Cagalli's name. But then, a lot of things in Gundam SEED are inconsistent and its obvious to me they still love each other a lot, even if they don't show it sometimes XD
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