Didn't we all know that Lacus would be the key to everything? She's St. Lacus the Perfect! And the presence of Meer showed that she was awfully important or they wouldn't have bothered to make a look-alike. Plus she hasn't done anything so far so I figured the girl who's always #1 in the polls would come in and save the day. I knew all this, but I'm still puking.
Where'd you get that asucaga's going to be in the new eye catch? Really? That coincides with Athrun's leaving Zaft, I doubt he's taking anyone with him so he won't have much contact with his harem unless it's in battle, so I figure they think it's safe to trot out the asucaga stuff again - there's no more 'suspense' over the harem. Unless Athrun suddenly, after all the indifference he's shown for around 20 eps, falls in love with a pink-haired girl in ep 35 who he leaves in ep 36 or brings along with him. I'm guessing no.
For me, Fllay cast a shadow over Kira's life but not over Lacus and Kira's relationship. The thing is that to me, there really was no triangle. Fllay didn't know of Lacus' interest in Kira, Lacus didn't know he had a relationship with Fllay until he lost it. Lacus and Kira's romantic relationship really only moved (at a snail's pace) after Fllay died. If it affected them it was only because she was one of his scars that Lacus had to bandage, and she had to wait while he finally got around to looking at her as a girl again as opposed to as his nursemaid. It's a bit hard to explain, but I feel that Fllay had nothing to do with Kira/Lacus while Lacus was completely separate from Kira/Fllay. The relationships were a study in contrasts but they didn't overlap. I didn't consider Fllay an obstacle to Kira/Lacus, not like Jona was the wedge between asucaga.
I'm looking forward to the asucaga reunion which ought to be interesting, unless they're lazy and decide to skate over all the disagreements and obstacles they've thrown at asucaga and have everything be all right the moment they meet.
Asucaga is salvageable because neither of them turned to anyone else. Cagalli's marriage to Jona was out of duty and Athrun knows that. It would be different if they had feelings for other people. Duty and ideology got in the way, and with Cagalli learning to follow her own path and Athrun finding out he's got more in common with her and Kira than with Zaft after all, there shouldn't be too much conflict after they both apologize to each other. Besides, they seem happier together than apart. They just have to learn to deal with the rest of the world as a couple instead of what they were before Athrun went back to the PLANTS - blissful in a vacuum. They just got a rude shock when reality intruded.
Oh, and they have to deal with Cagalli's status, which was one of the realities. Why is she a princess when Jona's not a prince btw, or is he one? If the Seirans are one of the families who rule Orb along with the Athhas, why is she the only one called 'princess?' Are the Athhas slightly higher in terms of lineage (as opposed to politically) than the others?
Ahhh, why are the 3 of us surprised? In the end, it's always about Lacus. Always. Only she can be heroic and brave and contribute something substantial to ending the war. Only she can be the key to finding peace.O___O This disgusts me. I am not a Lacus hater, but I am so fed up of her continually stealing the limelight at the end. She did that in SEED, with her rhetoric and the Clyne faction. And now, after being practically mute in Destiny, without any significant deveopment to the plot, they're letting her do it again. Aaaaaaaaarrrrgggggghhh. Lacus doesn't need this development to redeem her character. Lots of other people do. But no, in the end, they'll always make Lacus out as the only female who can actually do something. They shunt all the other female characters to the side, diminish their worth, and give Lacus all the glory. It's already been established that she's an excellent speaker and pacifist. Now don't they think it's time for someone else to share that throne? Or are they so preoccupied with their pink-haired princess always maintaining her throne that they disregard other characters who are capable of doing the same thing she does? Sheeesh, man. It's irritating.=(
Asucaga right now is pathetic. I'll willingly say so. Added to that, it's disgusting. What was the point, I ask you, of having Athrun return to ZAFT? Did he learn anything? Did he finally find what he was fighting for? No, instead, he's turned inot an angst machine who bitches at people for doing his job, fights his friends, and doesn't eat his lunch. His going back to ZAFT was pointless.Pointless! It's done nothing but dredge out the plot, and give us the same dynamics that were present in SEED. But what makes his turn in Destiny worse is that he's already learnt all this before. What was the point of making him go back, if not to recycle an old and outdated plot twist? I cannot see his return to ZAFT as anything good; the "difference" he wanted to make has yet to appear. Some part of me really does think that they sent him back to ZAFT specifically for that freakin harem. Because, no, couples in the SEED universe must never be happy. Jona was enough, and I originally thought he was put in there to strengthen the relationship. Big mistake!! Because his presence, along with the harem, has only contributed to the sad and sorry state asucaga is in, a sad and sorry state that the writers could have escaped.
When you have your VAs wondering what the hell you're up to, then it's obivous that something is wrong. :/
Only she can be the key to finding peace.O___O This disgusts me. I am not a Lacus hater, but I am so fed up of her continually stealing the limelight at the end. She did that in SEED, with her rhetoric and the Clyne faction. And now, after being practically mute in Destiny, without any significant deveopment to the plot, they're letting her do it again. Aaaaaaaaarrrrgggggghhh. Lacus doesn't need this development to redeem her character. Lots of other people do. But no, in the end, they'll always make Lacus out as the only female who can actually do something. They shunt all the other female characters to the side, diminish their worth, and give Lacus all the glory.
AMEN to all you've said. I'm not a Lacus hater either (as I've said before, she's my favorite character after Cagalli and Stellar), but the way they make Lacus out to be, quoting slacker, "The Virgin Mary" is sickening. If you think about it, it kind of does Lacus a disservice too, because she becomes all perfect like and loses her ability to be a more dynamic, interesting character. She is, essentially, a Mary-Sue. The only other female character who they haven't ruined is Stellar (she was a kick-ass pilot) but she's a psycho druggie who died after only two episodes of using Destroy in combat, so even that's debatable.
And I agree, Lacus really doesn't need the development to redeem her character. Sure, Lacus hasn't been doing anything but sitting around, but that's the thing: she hasn't DONE anything that would make people dislike her, not like with Athrun and Cagalli. Athrun and Cagalli (among others) are the ones who really need the points. Athrun...is just so pathetic right now. And Cagalli has - there's no skating around this - lost half or more than half of her international fanbase. They've distorted Athrun's and Cagalli's images so much they ought to be ashamed of themselves for what they did to their own characters.
I was hoping at the beginning of SEED Destiny, in fact, that Cagalli would be the one to steal the limelight in the end and prove her worth as a leader. Yes, Cagalli would've made a lousy politician in the first place, but I think she's the type of person whose prone to making mistakes, but accepts them, learns from them, and grows as a person and shines after making those mistakes. And she HAS accepted those mistakes, and learned from them. But the thing is she hasn't done anything to make up for those mistakes and its already more than halfway into this series. And it looks like Cagalli won't be doing anything cool beyond getting control of her country. And I'm repeating some stuff here, but while that is very nice, it was bound to happen so its not very special.
As for Shinn...now I've really thought over it, I agree that he probably is meant to be a jerk fighting on the wrong side. So I guess the way the writers wrote his character is okay in that respect, but I still think he ought to have made more screentime. Sometimes I feel this is more of Athrun's show than it is Shinn's. And while I love Athrun deep down inside, I really don't feel like watching him angst and angst, all over and over again. And even though I'm not a big fan of Shinn at all, this is his show. Yet they've made it appear otherwise.
oh yes and Mel - I'm soooo sorry for not IMing you more >_< I'm usually looking up websites and crap, so I usually don't even notice ANYONE coming online unless they IM me. So, I really don't IM anyone; its not just you, I'm not discriminating against you XD;;
His going back to ZAFT was pointless.Pointless! It's done nothing but dredge out the plot, and give us the same dynamics that were present in SEED. But what makes his turn in Destiny worse is that he's already learnt all this before. What was the point of making him go back, if not to recycle an old and outdated plot twist? I cannot see his return to ZAFT as anything good; the "difference" he wanted to make has yet to appear. Some part of me really does think that they sent him back to ZAFT specifically for that freakin harem.
XD Since you wanted me to touch on the Athrun subject, Mel, I did =P
It really was pointless, at least so far. He's achieved nothing in all his time in ZAFT except attract a couple of mindless fangirls who tripped over him and got all bitchy and hostile towards each other trying to get into his pants. And now he's going back to ORB. If the writers were planning for him to go back to ORB all along, why bother making him go back to ZAFT? Going there did him no good, it only made him into a resentful high and mighty prick.
But I'm thinking maybe since he went there for information on Gilbert, maybe, just maybe, his going to ZAFT will have a point? Because obviously Athrun learns something very big in episode 35 that makes him lose faith in Gil, so maybe this information will be useful and helpful to ORB/Lacus's side?
The relationships were a study in contrasts but they didn't overlap. I didn't consider Fllay an obstacle to Kira/Lacus, not like Jona was the wedge between asucaga.
Hmm I think you're right in all that you've said regarding Fllay/Kira/Lacus. Slacker, you never cease to amaze me with your scary insight *glomp* I feel so dumb in your presence XD
If it affected them it was only because she was one of his scars that Lacus had to bandage, and she had to wait while he finally got around to looking at her as a girl again as opposed to as his nursemaid.
^_^;; Ah yes, this is what I was basically trying to say, except you put it much more eloquently than I did. What I meant to say at the core of it all, though, was that I feel AsuCaga is more screwed over in Destiny than KiraRaku was in SEED. Some fans feel the development of KiraRaku was thrown to the side in favor of AsuCaga and that AsuCaga fans are just whiny brats who have no real reason to complain. I'm not putting down KiraRaku fans (like I said, I'm a KiraRaku fan myself, and most of them are really nice) but I just don't think this is necessarily true.
Where'd you get that asucaga's going to be in the new eye catch? Really?
Well, there isn't any news on it, but I figured, since Lacus and Kira, in their special edition outfits, were used as eyecatches, and there's probably going to be a second eyecatch coming out soon, it would be Athrun and Cagalli, since they have their own special edition outfits. I personally cannot stand neither the big happy red flower in Cagalli's hair or the sissy outfit Athrun's wearing, but they might show them in those outfits in the new eyecatch - if there's going to be one at all. They already showed Cagalli in her special edition outfit in the ED, but there's still a possibility they'll show her in that outfit elsewhere.
I'm looking forward to the asucaga reunion which ought to be interesting, unless they're lazy and decide to skate over all the disagreements and obstacles they've thrown at asucaga and have everything be all right the moment they meet.
I'm kind of looking forward to it too. I wonder how their meeting will play out.
Besides, they seem happier together than apart. They just have to learn to deal with the rest of the world as a couple instead of what they were before Athrun went back to the PLANTS - blissful in a vacuum.
I agree. As I've said before, Athrun and Cagalli seem unhappier without each other than with each other. And for asucaga, there was bound to be problems in their relationship in the first place - like you said, they've had to deal with Cagalli's status. Oh and then there's the fact Athrun's the son of Patrick Zala, a staunch Natural-hater.
is she a princess when Jona's not a prince btw, or is he one? If the Seirans are one of the families who rule Orb along with the Athhas, why is she the only one called 'princess?'
The idea of that purple shmuck being a prince amuses me. He's pompous enough to be a prince. And I can just see him wearing a tiara XD But anyway, maybe I'm being too simple-minded, but I think that the reason why Cagalli is called a princess is simply because Uzumi loved her that much. He was her only daughter (albeit, adoptive one) and he was very protective and loving of her to the point he'd give her the title of princess and raise her at home like a princess.
Where'd you get that asucaga's going to be in the new eye catch? Really? That coincides with Athrun's leaving Zaft, I doubt he's taking anyone with him so he won't have much contact with his harem unless it's in battle, so I figure they think it's safe to trot out the asucaga stuff again - there's no more 'suspense' over the harem. Unless Athrun suddenly, after all the indifference he's shown for around 20 eps, falls in love with a pink-haired girl in ep 35 who he leaves in ep 36 or brings along with him. I'm guessing no.
For me, Fllay cast a shadow over Kira's life but not over Lacus and Kira's relationship. The thing is that to me, there really was no triangle. Fllay didn't know of Lacus' interest in Kira, Lacus didn't know he had a relationship with Fllay until he lost it. Lacus and Kira's romantic relationship really only moved (at a snail's pace) after Fllay died. If it affected them it was only because she was one of his scars that Lacus had to bandage, and she had to wait while he finally got around to looking at her as a girl again as opposed to as his nursemaid. It's a bit hard to explain, but I feel that Fllay had nothing to do with Kira/Lacus while Lacus was completely separate from Kira/Fllay. The relationships were a study in contrasts but they didn't overlap. I didn't consider Fllay an obstacle to Kira/Lacus, not like Jona was the wedge between asucaga.
I'm looking forward to the asucaga reunion which ought to be interesting, unless they're lazy and decide to skate over all the disagreements and obstacles they've thrown at asucaga and have everything be all right the moment they meet.
Asucaga is salvageable because neither of them turned to anyone else. Cagalli's marriage to Jona was out of duty and Athrun knows that. It would be different if they had feelings for other people. Duty and ideology got in the way, and with Cagalli learning to follow her own path and Athrun finding out he's got more in common with her and Kira than with Zaft after all, there shouldn't be too much conflict after they both apologize to each other. Besides, they seem happier together than apart. They just have to learn to deal with the rest of the world as a couple instead of what they were before Athrun went back to the PLANTS - blissful in a vacuum. They just got a rude shock when reality intruded.
Oh, and they have to deal with Cagalli's status, which was one of the realities. Why is she a princess when Jona's not a prince btw, or is he one? If the Seirans are one of the families who rule Orb along with the Athhas, why is she the only one called 'princess?' Are the Athhas slightly higher in terms of lineage (as opposed to politically) than the others?
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Ahhh, why are the 3 of us surprised? In the end, it's always about Lacus. Always. Only she can be heroic and brave and contribute something substantial to ending the war. Only she can be the key to finding peace.O___O This disgusts me. I am not a Lacus hater, but I am so fed up of her continually stealing the limelight at the end. She did that in SEED, with her rhetoric and the Clyne faction. And now, after being practically mute in Destiny, without any significant deveopment to the plot, they're letting her do it again. Aaaaaaaaarrrrgggggghhh. Lacus doesn't need this development to redeem her character. Lots of other people do. But no, in the end, they'll always make Lacus out as the only female who can actually do something. They shunt all the other female characters to the side, diminish their worth, and give Lacus all the glory. It's already been established that she's an excellent speaker and pacifist. Now don't they think it's time for someone else to share that throne? Or are they so preoccupied with their pink-haired princess always maintaining her throne that they disregard other characters who are capable of doing the same thing she does? Sheeesh, man. It's irritating.=(
Asucaga right now is pathetic. I'll willingly say so. Added to that, it's disgusting. What was the point, I ask you, of having Athrun return to ZAFT? Did he learn anything? Did he finally find what he was fighting for? No, instead, he's turned inot an angst machine who bitches at people for doing his job, fights his friends, and doesn't eat his lunch. His going back to ZAFT was pointless.Pointless! It's done nothing but dredge out the plot, and give us the same dynamics that were present in SEED. But what makes his turn in Destiny worse is that he's already learnt all this before. What was the point of making him go back, if not to recycle an old and outdated plot twist? I cannot see his return to ZAFT as anything good; the "difference" he wanted to make has yet to appear. Some part of me really does think that they sent him back to ZAFT specifically for that freakin harem. Because, no, couples in the SEED universe must never be happy. Jona was enough, and I originally thought he was put in there to strengthen the relationship. Big mistake!! Because his presence, along with the harem, has only contributed to the sad and sorry state asucaga is in, a sad and sorry state that the writers could have escaped.
When you have your VAs wondering what the hell you're up to, then it's obivous that something is wrong. :/
More on Shinn later.
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Only she can be the key to finding peace.O___O This disgusts me. I am not a Lacus hater, but I am so fed up of her continually stealing the limelight at the end. She did that in SEED, with her rhetoric and the Clyne faction. And now, after being practically mute in Destiny, without any significant deveopment to the plot, they're letting her do it again. Aaaaaaaaarrrrgggggghhh. Lacus doesn't need this development to redeem her character. Lots of other people do. But no, in the end, they'll always make Lacus out as the only female who can actually do something. They shunt all the other female characters to the side, diminish their worth, and give Lacus all the glory.
AMEN to all you've said. I'm not a Lacus hater either (as I've said before, she's my favorite character after Cagalli and Stellar), but the way they make Lacus out to be, quoting slacker, "The Virgin Mary" is sickening. If you think about it, it kind of does Lacus a disservice too, because she becomes all perfect like and loses her ability to be a more dynamic, interesting character. She is, essentially, a Mary-Sue. The only other female character who they haven't ruined is Stellar (she was a kick-ass pilot) but she's a psycho druggie who died after only two episodes of using Destroy in combat, so even that's debatable.
And I agree, Lacus really doesn't need the development to redeem her character. Sure, Lacus hasn't been doing anything but sitting around, but that's the thing: she hasn't DONE anything that would make people dislike her, not like with Athrun and Cagalli. Athrun and Cagalli (among others) are the ones who really need the points. Athrun...is just so pathetic right now. And Cagalli has - there's no skating around this - lost half or more than half of her international fanbase. They've distorted Athrun's and Cagalli's images so much they ought to be ashamed of themselves for what they did to their own characters.
I was hoping at the beginning of SEED Destiny, in fact, that Cagalli would be the one to steal the limelight in the end and prove her worth as a leader. Yes, Cagalli would've made a lousy politician in the first place, but I think she's the type of person whose prone to making mistakes, but accepts them, learns from them, and grows as a person and shines after making those mistakes. And she HAS accepted those mistakes, and learned from them. But the thing is she hasn't done anything to make up for those mistakes and its already more than halfway into this series. And it looks like Cagalli won't be doing anything cool beyond getting control of her country. And I'm repeating some stuff here, but while that is very nice, it was bound to happen so its not very special.
As for Shinn...now I've really thought over it, I agree that he probably is meant to be a jerk fighting on the wrong side. So I guess the way the writers wrote his character is okay in that respect, but I still think he ought to have made more screentime. Sometimes I feel this is more of Athrun's show than it is Shinn's. And while I love Athrun deep down inside, I really don't feel like watching him angst and angst, all over and over again. And even though I'm not a big fan of Shinn at all, this is his show. Yet they've made it appear otherwise.
oh yes and Mel - I'm soooo sorry for not IMing you more >_< I'm usually looking up websites and crap, so I usually don't even notice ANYONE coming online unless they IM me. So, I really don't IM anyone; its not just you, I'm not discriminating against you XD;;
And where'd you go yesterday? *poke*
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XD Since you wanted me to touch on the Athrun subject, Mel, I did =P
It really was pointless, at least so far. He's achieved nothing in all his time in ZAFT except attract a couple of mindless fangirls who tripped over him and got all bitchy and hostile towards each other trying to get into his pants. And now he's going back to ORB. If the writers were planning for him to go back to ORB all along, why bother making him go back to ZAFT? Going there did him no good, it only made him into a resentful high and mighty prick.
But I'm thinking maybe since he went there for information on Gilbert, maybe, just maybe, his going to ZAFT will have a point? Because obviously Athrun learns something very big in episode 35 that makes him lose faith in Gil, so maybe this information will be useful and helpful to ORB/Lacus's side?
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Hmm I think you're right in all that you've said regarding Fllay/Kira/Lacus. Slacker, you never cease to amaze me with your scary insight *glomp* I feel so dumb in your presence XD
If it affected them it was only because she was one of his scars that Lacus had to bandage, and she had to wait while he finally got around to looking at her as a girl again as opposed to as his nursemaid.
^_^;; Ah yes, this is what I was basically trying to say, except you put it much more eloquently than I did. What I meant to say at the core of it all, though, was that I feel AsuCaga is more screwed over in Destiny than KiraRaku was in SEED. Some fans feel the development of KiraRaku was thrown to the side in favor of AsuCaga and that AsuCaga fans are just whiny brats who have no real reason to complain. I'm not putting down KiraRaku fans (like I said, I'm a KiraRaku fan myself, and most of them are really nice) but I just don't think this is necessarily true.
Where'd you get that asucaga's going to be in the new eye catch? Really?
Well, there isn't any news on it, but I figured, since Lacus and Kira, in their special edition outfits, were used as eyecatches, and there's probably going to be a second eyecatch coming out soon, it would be Athrun and Cagalli, since they have their own special edition outfits. I personally cannot stand neither the big happy red flower in Cagalli's hair or the sissy outfit Athrun's wearing, but they might show them in those outfits in the new eyecatch - if there's going to be one at all. They already showed Cagalli in her special edition outfit in the ED, but there's still a possibility they'll show her in that outfit elsewhere.
I'm looking forward to the asucaga reunion which ought to be interesting, unless they're lazy and decide to skate over all the disagreements and obstacles they've thrown at asucaga and have everything be all right the moment they meet.
I'm kind of looking forward to it too. I wonder how their meeting will play out.
Besides, they seem happier together than apart. They just have to learn to deal with the rest of the world as a couple instead of what they were before Athrun went back to the PLANTS - blissful in a vacuum.
I agree. As I've said before, Athrun and Cagalli seem unhappier without each other than with each other. And for asucaga, there was bound to be problems in their relationship in the first place - like you said, they've had to deal with Cagalli's status. Oh and then there's the fact Athrun's the son of Patrick Zala, a staunch Natural-hater.
is she a princess when Jona's not a prince btw, or is he one? If the Seirans are one of the families who rule Orb along with the Athhas, why is she the only one called 'princess?'
The idea of that purple shmuck being a prince amuses me. He's pompous enough to be a prince. And I can just see him wearing a tiara XD But anyway, maybe I'm being too simple-minded, but I think that the reason why Cagalli is called a princess is simply because Uzumi loved her that much. He was her only daughter (albeit, adoptive one) and he was very protective and loving of her to the point he'd give her the title of princess and raise her at home like a princess.
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Speaking of character polls, this is pointless (and the polls are old) but in case you wanted to take a look at it, slacker:
February 2004 issue of Animedia:
"Most Voted Person":
#1 Kira
# 2 Athrun
# 5 Mwu (<333)
# 6 Cagalli
# 7 Lacus
"Bravest Character":
# 1 Kira
# 3 Cagalli
# 4 Lacus
# 7 Athrun
# 9 Nicol
"Gloomiest Character"
# 1 Kira
# 3 Klueze
#7 Shani
# 10 Fllay
"Strongest Character"
# 1 Kira
# 6 Athrun
# 8 Klueze
# 9 Cagalli
# 10 Lacus
"Cutest Character"
# 1 Lacus
# 3 Cagalli
# 5 Kira
# 6 Haro
"Hottest Character"
# 3 Cagalli
# 4 Kira
# 5 Yzak
# 8 Lacus
# 9 Mwu
"Wisest Character"
# 3 Athrun
# 4 Lacus
# 7 Kira
# 9 Natarle
Character Ranking:
# 3 Cagalli
# 4 Lacus
# 11 Kira and Athrun
Character Ranking, October 2003 issue of Animage:
# 1 Athrun
# 2 Kira
September 2003 issue of USA Newtype, in "Most Popular Male Characters":
# 1 Kira
# 2 Athrun
# 5 Mwu
# 10 Yzak
March 2004 issue of Newtype, in "Most Popular Male Characters":
# 1 Kira
# 3 Athrun
# 8 Yzak
I got this from kira.nu, btw.
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