>>
and going into this
joe biden
needed to steady the ship and calm the democratic side. did he accomplish that?
>>
democrats are psyched that he had such a good night. you said at the throb was no clear winner, and it may be, but it was very important for the democrats
paul ryan
not be the clear winner. most democrats, i don't know about independent winners, probably think that
joe biden
clearly won
>>
i think the analysis there's no clear winner is because of
joe biden
's style, his demeanor, and if we've learned anything from these debates those things matter as much as substance, occasionally more. do you think that
biden
was over amped and overly aggressive and that detracted from his performance?
>>
seemed like aggression and not like a cool distancing from the proceedings which was the problem with the president's performance in terms of his style the first time around.
biden
's aggression i think is both expected from him, and the laughing thing was essentially implicit messaging, don't believe what this guy is saying, i can't believe this guy. it actually had sort of a messaging function rather than just being a display of his emotion.
>>
on the subject of what you can believe from
paul ryan
, his calling card, a number guy so on jobs, spending, taxes, how did he do this.
>>
had a couple of problems on basic number issues. when he tried to make the case when the
unemployment rate
is going up, scranton versus janesville, it was stylistically interesting because
biden
jumped in so aggressively to shut him down, but it's true the
unemployment rate
is below 8% and being unwilling to admit that i think put him on maybe sort of
shaky ground
. obviously he's very comfortable talking about these issues. the fact that the debate focused so much on
foreign policy
was not
paul ryan
's wheelhouse and i think that spoke to mr.
biden
's strength, but, you know, those issues they both feel confident talking about the
middle class
. it's a question of whether or not it resonates.
>>
we know
joe biden
, americans know him. watched him in the senate and watched him now for almost four years as vice president. not as many people know
paul ryan
. this was his first major test on a stage like this. did we learn anything about
paul ryan
last night that will impact the election?
>>
yes, and that's what i think is so exciting about this debate. whoever you want to win, what was exciting about it is all this new ground was covered mostly by
joe biden
pinning
paul ryan
down on stuff that we weren't sure if the romney/ryan ticket is going to stick with. he is in favor of privatizing
social security
and overturning "roe v. wade" and making abortion criminal. on afghanistan, nobody has pressed them on afghanistan. now we know they are going to stick to the
2014
deadline but they also think that deadline is dangerous and a bad idea. that's the sign of a campaign that hasn't been pressed very much on that issue, that it made so little sense when they had to.
>>
very quickly, you obviously think
biden
won, but would you acknowledge that ryan passed the threshold test proving he was a plausible president and vice president if the need arose?
>>
on everything except
foreign policy
. i think
paul ryan
was out of his depth on
foreign policy
. maybe it wasn't fair to have him with a foreign correspondent moderator and former chair of the
senate foreign relations committee
there talking about
foreign policy
. there he bottomed out, and other than that he did just fine.
>>
we'll see you tonight on msnbc.
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