004: Amy Pond and the Narrative that crashed into a wall

Dec 11, 2012 14:25

I was just considering this and figured I might as well make it one of my 100 Things ( Read more... )

doctor who, 100 things, rory williams, amy pond, meta, eleventh doctor

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useyourlove December 12 2012, 21:39:53 UTC
Here's the thing: I loved Rory when he was constantly fridged because he was a male character that was being forced to function in that role and it was great. But past series 5 I just can't stand him or any of the writing except Neil Gaiman's episode. I'm glad that you like him so much, but the more people explain to me why they like him the more I hate him. It's all fantastically offensive to me and I hated it so much that I just dismissed it all as trash and so I don't actually have any specifics to debate about because it makes me that mad to watch the show anymore. I always find Amy choosing Rory as incredibly contrived because it makes no sense outside of "well... she has to. That's how it works." The entirety of Angels Take Manhattan still has me flamingly pissed off and I'd have to rewatch all of NuWho to explain why and I honestly dislike it so much I'm not going to subject myself to it. It's weird for me to even try and fight about it because I genuinely hate everything about NuWho except series 5, but I love 5 so much that it's hard for me to just stand up and say "I HATE DOCTOR WHO!" It's just that the way they use Rory thereafter, for me, directly subverts everything I loved so much about that ONE series.

Basically: I'm glad that you love Rory so much. Kudos and good luck.

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sarah531 December 12 2012, 23:44:18 UTC
Cool. Ta. :)

But oh god, I'm so curious now. What happened with series 1-4? Was it the treatment of women/people of colour, or were you a Classic fan or...?

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useyourlove December 12 2012, 23:50:51 UTC
I just thought it was really ham-handed with it's morality tales (I understand it's supposed to be a kid's show but UGH) and Ten especially got on my nerves. I mean with series 1 they were still trying to figure out what the show was going to be, so I can forgive most of that but with Ten? Bleargh. And then we throw in Rose (who just never grew on me) and what happened to Donna and I was ready to give up on the whole thing.

Now Jack Harkness!! Jack I adore. (I definitely go more for the morally ambiguous characters over the firmly absolutely right ones, but the moping with Ten goes overboard.) So for me it was like Torchwood 1-2 and then DW 5 and the rest I just despise.

I recently started watching Classic Who, though, and I find I like it a lot! But I'm also a big fan of really campy old science fiction things.

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sarah531 December 15 2012, 16:46:58 UTC
I do hate what happened to Donna. If I ever got to be showrunner, I'd retcon that in an instant...

I really want to watch Classic Who! Well, more of it. I've only seen a few with Hartnell. :)

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