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[urdsama]

Was goofing around last weekend, and doodled this after Te made me think about what Kara's true nature would/should be, seeing as canon cannot make up its mind and it's painful to watch.

I don't actually think she'd be a chain-smoking teen rebel without a cause. Tho I did reminded myself of this, which I have pinned up on my YJ wall at work. :D

Comments

[thete1]

*ahahahaha* Oh, Clark! *You try so hard*!

*hugs Kara forever* I've been wondering about Kara's uniform lately, and what it should/"should" actually look like -- assuming Martha isn't a giant perv... hmmm...

What do you think?

[urdsama]

whellz, I am a staunch opponent of the open midriff. Martha must be an awesome progressive woman to let Kara go out like that in public. XD And it's not like I hate all midriffs indiscriminately, I like them quite a lot in the right place on the right person. AND, the more I'm learning about Kara the more I think that maybe she'd actually dress like that. But that's a big Maaaaybe. It seems like if nothing else she has a respect for the "uniform", and her job, and at least in this respect she'd be appropriate?

Most of all I hate it from the aesthetic POV. And since the super family is invulnerable, aesthetics is the #1 consideration!! (along with tradition and blah blah blah)

I made a chart. LOL Of why the classic uniform is so much better. The colors and shapes are simplified, there's "less going on" which makes for a stronger impression.

[thete1]

Martha must be an awesome progressive woman to let Kara go out like that in public. XD

God, that was such lousy canon! It's like they thought we'd all be okay with it if they said a woman chose to dress her like a superpowered [insert problematically-gendered slut-shaming word here.] *sigh* I hope to *Christ* that gets retconned even if the suit doesn't change, because -- meh.

I mean, okay, in one of my WIPs, I talk a little about the Kents and my theory -- based on how the Clark-in-my-head grows up -- that, no matter where they stood politically and socially before they took Clark in, they damned well made a command decision to be as open-minded as humanly possible as soon as they got an inkling of just *how* alien their beloved son was going to grow up to be. It just makes sense.

That said, Martha knows nothing about Kara at that point but that she's a young girl, and confused, and somewhat fearful, and also *a Kryptonian*. Who dressed *really damned conservatively* in public. It -- makes no damned sense.

And it's not

[urdsama]

I *can* see her as someone who would willfully choose to expose herself out of a sense of rebellion and a need to express some of the confusion in her mind, but it's a little bit -- and sometimes a lot -- of a stretch. I mean, have they even tried to handwave something in about Kara feeling stifled on Krypton?

Yes, that is my problem exactly - I don't know what is going through her mind. Is she confused about her current role in Earth society? Is she stifled in any way that would cause her to act out rebelliously? I'll gladly consider any possibility as long as it's backed up and consistent. I do think that she wants Clark's approval, acceptance from the only family member and the new world -- thus she'll behave herself on the job, and dress for the job. No stupid bared midriffs! XD

But even that would be an experiment, and I think as she got older she would damned well cover up even more -- both as a response to the kind of fucked-up world we live in and as an expression of her life-long allegiance to where she came from and who

[thete1]

I'll gladly consider any possibility as long as it's backed up and consistent.

Yes, *that*. It's never seemed to be so much to ask to have people who are brought in to write a given character *read at least some of what's come before*. And not just a few issues of the last guy, either. These comics and toons are all available with a minimal amount of effort. Even if you already know you're going to go in a different direction, it just works better if you truly understand what's come before. I mean, that's the essence of writing good AUs, right there. Comics fans can suspend a whole lot of disbelief, but why make them bend over backwards to do it? Write your wild and out-there stories, but let them be informed by what's come before.

I will happily follow a writer from point A to point B-Z -- or from point A to point Oobladooble Prime -- if that writer gives me a path I can use *to* follow.

What about the Kryptonians? I get a Heian Japan vibe with a big dose of the Roman empire mixed in. Unbreakable ideas about honor and

[urdsama]

::takes notes:: Thank you for sharing the info!!

[thete1]

Also in terms of Flow, the classic look flooowws better. The shapes complement each other and everything is pulled together at the hem line. with the new look, the flow lines are broken numerous times. It literally chops the form into pieces.|

You know, I'd never have thought about this on my own, but you're absolutely right. It's *painful* on more than one level, really, and -- heh. When I showed this to my Jack, ze pointed out that male comic creators *love* chopping up women in one way or another. *Always*. Think about how many breast shots and ass shots and *crotch* shots we get of female superheroes vs. the dramatic full-body and iconic chest *armor* shots we get of men. Well, you know all of that already. I don't think Turner and whoever else chimed in did this on purpose, I just think they were just that thoughtless.

I think that's why I can let go of the cape issue. How do you feel about capes? I think they're the most silly remnant of the old days - they're hugely impractical and would get in the way of everyting,

[urdsama]

oh, oh, and as a follow-up question, what do you see her wearing as a civilian? Do you think she has patience for a little style? :D

[thete1]

Oh, man. Civilian clothes... within a year? She has three huge closets and two bureaus full of clothes in a *bazillion* different styles. She's damned well going to make a study of all the earth cultures -- *not* just American, damn it, because NO Super is anything but a citizen of the world INSERT RANT HERE -- and experiment and mix and match and see what works best for her in terms of messages sent and beliefs expressed and, yes, style

[urdsama]

HMMM, what a wonderfully intriguing idea! I certainly would love to see ANY member of the super-family portrayed as international. Even if Clark was brought up in the US, I don't see Kara having any such allegiances. She'd totally engage in some sartorial exploration. (maybe that's why I can see her as both a tomboy and a stylish girl. it's all play. :D )

But man, where would she get all that swag? :D I can see quite the opposite, her wanting to dress in the manner she is accustomed to, and being taught to "make do" and all the virtues of frugality by Ma Kent. XD Who is financially supporting this girl? Lana? Clark? Just how much does Daily Planet pay? LOL I'm sure Superman will never need for anything, but since he's trying to live all right and proper.... teenagers are expensive. I'm just saying. XD

I am in love with the one picture of her in welder's gloves. She doesn't need them! But it's awesome all the same.

[thete1]

There is *nothing* stopping her from hitting thrift stores in Bombay and Seoul and Cadiz and Portland and -- everywhere else. Plus, I tend to think that the Supers can and will occasionally do things like skip eating for a month or so to save money. I mean, come on, they're *plants*. Of course, that's not how they're portrayed in canon... *sigh* We're probably Not Supposed To Think About It.

How old is she now canonically? I know you told me this already, but -- *whooosh*.

I am in love with the one picture of her in welder's gloves. She doesn't need them! But it's awesome all the same.

Yessss!

[urdsama]

holy shit, then what do they do with food? XD

I think she's about 16 right now. Thanks, US culture, for youthanazing everything and everyone. ::sigh:: The age itself is not the problem, of course. Just... you know... canon. Bleh. Let's make our own fun, Te!! You write awesome, thoughtfully done Kara and Babs, and I'll play dress up. XD

[thete1]

holy shit, then what do they do with food? XD

I am *convinced* that the bathrooms in the Fortress are sterile and beautiful and terrifying.

The AI only wants to clean you!

I think she's about 16 right now. Thanks, US culture, for youthanazing everything and everyone. ::sigh:: The age itself is not the problem, of course. Just... you know... canon. Bleh. Let's make our own fun, Te!! You write awesome, thoughtfully done Kara and Babs, and I'll play dress up. XD

I approve of this plan! But man, I would *love* Kara to be a Bird. *So much*. She needs a firm hand and someone she can love, respect, and learn from -- and Babs needs a HAMMER.

[urdsama]

Aaahahaha! But where do you think you're running, human specimen? In the Fortress, AI sees ALLLL... LOL

But man, I would *love* Kara to be a Bird.

I would love that too! It almost makes me wonder if Misfit was supposed to be... someone else initially.... hmmmm, probably not. Nah, I'm sure that wasn't it. But oh oh oh, how would she and Kara get along? Babs has two very, very firm hands, is all I'm sayin'. :D :D :D Heee. And Babs is totally the best role model around. (I don't know enough about Lana to judge, but come on. There's no comparison.) And for those times when she takes a nap or something, there's Dinah, and Helena, and the pilot chick whose name escapes me at the moment.... ::dreams on::

[thete1]

I actually know bupkis about Misfit, beyond having a general sense that she's probably cool. And yeah, Babs is great. She's brilliant *and* wise, but not so perfect that she would alienate a teenager. She *knows* how to negotiate mask vs. hormones vs. justice, and she can damned well keep an eye on you. *Always*.

Kara would also approve of Babs' techie-ness, and they could geek out over circuitry and gears and shit together. They --

Okay, so I've talked myself into 'shipping comicsverse Babs/Kara. I think I'm okay with this!