For Elena, love is an act of free will, for Damon love is a fundamental violation of free will. Damon thinks that Elena's kind of love is in fact a lie and an act of cowardice (There is something going on between the two of us, and you know it. And you're lying to me, and you're lying to Stefan, and most of all, you're lying to yourself. I can prove it. - 2x01, The Return). Elena thinks that Damon's kind of love is a thoughtless, destructive force and an act of insanity (But he did this to me, Stefan, which means he doesn't really know what love is. - 2x20, The Last Day). So who is right? Logically speaking, they can't both be right. Are they both wrong?
I apologize for my existential questions. Let me just point out that giving me flawless Dawn gifs is hardly going to make me stop.
They understand each other in ways no one else can. And they both fucking hate it. And they hate each other. But they can't stop loving each other, because what else is there?
THIS. Narratively speaking, D/E shouldn't have happened, ever. They don't follow the pattern... or, rather, they follow the pattern in reverse. And it's reflected in their emotional relationship. It's like they can feel that they're a narrative abomination.
She knows she loves Stefan, because she stood up and said: “I love you, and I will be this person who always finds you, who always saves you like you saved me, who helps you be your best self like you help me be my best self”, and then she kept her word. Love is a choice of the version of the self. You should love the person that makes you glad that you're alive.
Yesssssssssssss, such a good description. I feel like this is the key point where people divide in fandom, too? Not just with Damon/Elena, but Katherine too. Katherine has consistently "chosen" not to love Damon (or anybody else), she has left him for dead, she has consciously abandoned him, broken him, and this is supposed to prove that the love doesn't exist.
/lol, making your D/E meta about D/K
Damon thinks that Elena's kind of love is in fact a lie and an act of cowardice (There is something going on between the two of us, and you know it. And you're lying to me, and you're lying to Stefan, and most of all, you're lying to yourself
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Not just with Damon/Elena, but Katherine too. Katherine has consistently "chosen" not to love Damon (or anybody else), she has left him for dead, she has consciously abandoned him, broken him, and this is supposed to prove that the love doesn't exist.
Oh, good point. Katherine doesn't destroy people because she doesn't love them. She destroys the people she loves because she knows that love makes her vulnerable, and she's choosing not to be a victim. She knows she can live without love, so she sheds it when she thinks her life is in danger. It's simple like that.
When he goes off on that bent in 2x01, he's hysterical and depressed. And considering that he remembers "it's always gonna be Stefan" right up to the S3 finale, I'd think that he actually takes Elena's words to heart. I think Damon recognises that his own conception of love is "unacceptable" by normative standards. It's a problem. He's well aware of that.HUH. Now you got me thinking. And I guess I agree, after 2x01 Damon never questions Elena's honesty re: her feelings for
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Does Damon really think this though? When he goes off on that bent in 2x01, he's hysterical and depressed. And considering that he remembers "it's always gonna be Stefan" right up to the S3 finale, I'd think that he actually takes Elena's words to heart. I think Damon recognises that his own conception of love is "unacceptable" by normative standards. It's a problem. He's well aware of that.
Yeah, I think 2x01 is actually the point when Damon realizes how problematic his conception of love is. He thought Katherine loved him, but apparently she didn't. He thought Elena had feelings for him, but she doesn't. Clearly, he must be doin it wrong or this wouldn't keep happening. Turns out that most people don't love - or don't want to love - in the reckless, unconditional way that he does.
He does believe that Elena loves him, based on his definition of love. She accepts him at his worst. She likes him just as he is except for when she tries to make him more like Stefan. He's hurt her a thousand times, and she's still his friend
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Clearly, he must be doin it wrong or this wouldn't keep happening. Turns out that most people don't love - or don't want to love - in the reckless, unconditional way that he does.
Bwaha. He cares too much; it's a problem.
She likes him just as he is except for when she tries to make him more like Stefan.
LOL. Does she really even though? I honestly think that's mostly in his head. There are definitely times where Elena is projecting (and trying to ~shape him into a better man~), but I'm pretty sure the "Stop trying to turn me into him" thing is all paranoia and insecurity.
"I don't deserve you, but my brother does." He doesn't say that because "deserving" matters to him. He says it because it matters to Elena.
Good point. Nobody needs to earn Damon's love. Because his love, ultimately, is worthless. (It's a problem.)
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For Elena, love is an act of free will, for Damon love is a fundamental violation of free will. Damon thinks that Elena's kind of love is in fact a lie and an act of cowardice (There is something going on between the two of us, and you know it. And you're lying to me, and you're lying to Stefan, and most of all, you're lying to yourself. I can prove it. - 2x01, The Return). Elena thinks that Damon's kind of love is a thoughtless, destructive force and an act of insanity (But he did this to me, Stefan, which means he doesn't really know what love is. - 2x20, The Last Day). So who is right? Logically speaking, they can't both be right. Are they both wrong?
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They understand each other in ways no one else can. And they both fucking hate it. And they hate each other. But they can't stop loving each other, because what else is there?
THIS. Narratively speaking, D/E shouldn't have happened, ever. They don't follow the pattern... or, rather, they follow the pattern in reverse. And it's reflected in their emotional relationship. It's like they can feel that they're a narrative abomination.
FUCK I CANNOT WAIT FOR SEASON FOUR.
OUR GIRL WILL BE GLORIOUS, I'M TELLING YOU!!!
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MOGĘ CI WYBUDOWAĆ POMNIK? POWIEDZ, ŻE MOGĘ.
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You can't be heroic in shoes like that, because it violates every known decorum.
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The Doctor begs to differ!!! D= ; ;
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Come one, the reason why the Doctor wears those trainers is that they violate every decorum XD.
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Seriously though yes. I think you got their main driving points in a way that is supported by canon (it is). Very concise though, not word vomity!
Go you :)
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Come on, this post is about 3k long, and I'm not even halfway through with the manifesto. It totally counts as word-vomit.
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She knows she loves Stefan, because she stood up and said: “I love you, and I will be this person who always finds you, who always saves you like you saved me, who helps you be your best self like you help me be my best self”, and then she kept her word. Love is a choice of the version of the self. You should love the person that makes you glad that you're alive.
Yesssssssssssss, such a good description. I feel like this is the key point where people divide in fandom, too? Not just with Damon/Elena, but Katherine too. Katherine has consistently "chosen" not to love Damon (or anybody else), she has left him for dead, she has consciously abandoned him, broken him, and this is supposed to prove that the love doesn't exist.
/lol, making your D/E meta about D/K
Damon thinks that Elena's kind of love is in fact a lie and an act of cowardice (There is something going on between the two of us, and you know it. And you're lying to me, and you're lying to Stefan, and most of all, you're lying to yourself ( ... )
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Oh, good point. Katherine doesn't destroy people because she doesn't love them. She destroys the people she loves because she knows that love makes her vulnerable, and she's choosing not to be a victim. She knows she can live without love, so she sheds it when she thinks her life is in danger. It's simple like that.
When he goes off on that bent in 2x01, he's hysterical and depressed. And considering that he remembers "it's always gonna be Stefan" right up to the S3 finale, I'd think that he actually takes Elena's words to heart. I think Damon recognises that his own conception of love is "unacceptable" by normative standards. It's a problem. He's well aware of that.HUH. Now you got me thinking. And I guess I agree, after 2x01 Damon never questions Elena's honesty re: her feelings for ( ... )
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Yeah, I think 2x01 is actually the point when Damon realizes how problematic his conception of love is. He thought Katherine loved him, but apparently she didn't. He thought Elena had feelings for him, but she doesn't. Clearly, he must be doin it wrong or this wouldn't keep happening. Turns out that most people don't love - or don't want to love - in the reckless, unconditional way that he does.
He does believe that Elena loves him, based on his definition of love. She accepts him at his worst. She likes him just as he is except for when she tries to make him more like Stefan. He's hurt her a thousand times, and she's still his friend ( ... )
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Bwaha. He cares too much; it's a problem.
She likes him just as he is except for when she tries to make him more like Stefan.
LOL. Does she really even though? I honestly think that's mostly in his head. There are definitely times where Elena is projecting (and trying to ~shape him into a better man~), but I'm pretty sure the "Stop trying to turn me into him" thing is all paranoia and insecurity.
"I don't deserve you, but my brother does." He doesn't say that because "deserving" matters to him. He says it because it matters to Elena.
Good point. Nobody needs to earn Damon's love. Because his love, ultimately, is worthless. (It's a problem.)
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