It's All About Brothers

Nov 05, 2011 12:10

This is a spontanous Salvatore meta. It combines the thoughts I had while re-watching season one, all sorts of random TVD observations and my flailing all over 3x08. Since I just HAVE TO do this, and I have very little time (unexpected family problems that will consume most of my free time at least till Tuesday), unfortunately I can't fiddle with ( Read more... )

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upupa_epops November 7 2011, 01:13:20 UTC
Pie accepted gladly! And welcome, I think I haven't seen you here before :).

Good point about Damon needing Stefan not just alive, but also in good shape. He can't just let him rot in the cell, can he?

It’s weird, but the collateral damage doesn’t bother me all that much. I mean, it does, but these are vampires---collateral damage is kind of a thing with vampires. I’ve made my peace with the fact that these are basically bad people. I’m okay with it. I like them anyway. And I wonder---if it bothers people so much, why do they watch a show about mythical creatures that need to murder to survive?

It does bother me that they vampires just "accidentally" keep killing mostly pretty, young girls, but other than that? TVD is not a show about heroes, the characters are just people who happened to get involved into something bigger than themselves, and now they try to cope. They are so selfish, they protect their own, and they never see the bigger picture. This is what I love about this show. Because, honestly? If my (hypothetical) brother was about to die and I could save him by joining a mass murderer, I would do it without blinking, especially if I already had a history of being mass murderer. Collateral damage be damned.

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fuel_for_flight November 7 2011, 01:45:36 UTC
And welcome, I think I haven't seen you here before :).

Yay! I was just creeping through some flists and I saw this posy and was all like OMG MUST COMMENT.

It does bother me that they vampires just "accidentally" keep killing mostly pretty, young girls.

Yeah, that it is pretty bothersome. But I guess vampires prefer to feed on people they find attractive? Though, you know, me, I’d probably prefer to feed on the people I DISLIKE, but oh well.

TVD is not a show about heroes, the characters are just people who happened to get involved into something bigger than themselves, and now they try to cope.

YES. AGREED. Of course Damon is horrible. Of course all vampires are horrible on some level. How could they not be? They’re vampires. They need to eat people, and it does no good to be nice to the cow before you eat the burger, I guess.

And it of course sucks, and they probably had no idea just how much vampirism would suck before they signed up for it, but what can they do now? It is what it is.

My poor poor Salvatores. I will pet you.

If my (hypothetical) brother was about to die and I could save him by joining a mass murderer, I would do it without blinking, especially if I already had a history of being mass murderer. Collateral damage be damned.

Indeed. Same here, not gonna lie. And again, the lengths these two will go to to preserve the other’s life/well-being/etc. They’d probably even share Elena, really. I mean, after mass murder, it doesn’t even rank. Polyamorous arrangement? Make it happen, show.

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upupa_epops November 7 2011, 02:49:11 UTC
I was just creeping through some flists and I saw this posy and was all like OMG MUST COMMENT.

I'm glad you did :).

And it of course sucks, and they probably had no idea just how much vampirism would suck before they signed up for it, but what can they do now?

I think Damon had quite a fair idea, and he wanted to do it anyway ;). Well, he is not the smartest person in the world.

They’d probably even share Elena, really. I mean, after mass murder, it doesn’t even rank. Polyamorous arrangement? Make it happen, show.

I don't think a polyamorous arrangement here should be considered in terms of good and evil. I guess it's more of what they would feel comfortable with. There are so many issues here (first of all, Elena and Stefan from the very beginning were shaping their relationship as an epic romance, and in order to get into a threesome, they'd have to re-evaluate their entire relationship), and I'd love to see those issues play out on screen. Right now we have some very interesting dynamics, and I'm enjoying it very much :D.

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fuel_for_flight November 7 2011, 04:29:35 UTC
I don't think a polyamorous arrangement here should be considered in terms of good and evil. I guess it's more of what they would feel comfortable with.

Oh, I didn’t mean to imply that polyamory is bad. Sure, it makes some people feel squicky, but I’m not one of them. It’s not for me, I guess, but I can see how it would work for some people? Like these three characters in particular. And I can see them going for it, too---granted, after a lot of shouting and crying and gnashing of teeth, but I do think they could warm to the idea. It just seems the only logical thing to do?

But I keep getting the feeling that the showrunners might not go for it. I guess it just doesn’t really GO with most people’s idea of “epic romance.” I can see them getting real squicked by the whole thing. But again, showrunners: your characters are murderers and you’re grossed out by an unorthodox relationship arrangement?

Elena and Stefan from the very beginning were shaping their relationship as an epic romance, and in order to get into a threesome, they'd have to re-evaluate their entire relationship....Right now we have some very interesting dynamics.

Well, the recent developments have definitely been game changers, don’t you think? I can only hope the JP and KW reevaluate their ideas regarding ideal romantic relationships. There’s room in there for three!

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upupa_epops November 8 2011, 00:29:41 UTC
Definitely game changers, oh yes. But I'm not really sure if I want to have treesome on the show. There are just too many possibilities for me to choose one now. I wouldn't protest if they started writing the show like that, but I'm still not sure if this is my dream solution. It's purely the matter of too many openings to choose from; how do I ever pick just one? I should have, like, four separate shows: in one there is a threesome, in one they all just live in Mystic Falls as friends and do loads of awesome team stuff, in one Elena is broken and she starts to both sleep with Damon and abuse him psychologically, and one in which Elena goes to college and gets the hell out of this whole MF mess ;).

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waltzmatildah January 3 2012, 09:08:18 UTC
Comment stalking FTW.

I think Damon had quite a fair idea, and he wanted to do it anyway ;) I would dispute this. Damon had an extremely (and here's that word again) romanticised view of vampirism (as he pretty much did everything for a long time!). He had an amazing, independent, sexy, fiesty vampire lover that he was going to be with for eternity.

Becoming a vampire wasn't about bloodlust and hunger and fear and evil to him. It was eternal love.

And then it happened.

And suddenly it was betrayal and hurt and loneliness and rage and nothing at all like he imagined it would be.

And now I suddenly have this urge to write human!damon - vamp!damon fic. Because it's not like I don't already have a LIST of fics that I should be writing (and you know, a thesis and such...).

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upupa_epops January 3 2012, 09:39:30 UTC
Comment stalking \o/

You have a point, I haven't taken Damon's romantic delusions into consideration here. He knew a lot about being a vampire, but he wasn't able to interpret it correctly. Thanks for showing me Yet Another Level On Which There Is Something Wrong With Damon!

The fic should be written. Most definitely. (What is thesis? What are finals? What is school?)

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waltzmatildah January 3 2012, 09:49:48 UTC
He knew a lot about being a vampire, but he wasn't able to interpret it correctly. Eeeeegg-zacly!

Also, this entire meta is made of so much win I'm not sure what to do with my hands *flaps uselessly*.

As much as Katherine is my favourite character (and yikes, the meta there is also PAGES LONG!), my absolute favourite relationship dynamic is between these two. And they're totally the heart of this show to me (no matter what Elena might think about her role in All The Everything!).

Also, I read some of your other metas too. You write the best metas!

I really wanted to comment on the Lexi one because you made SO MANY good points. But every time I started typing, my fingers were all "I DO NOT LIKE LEXI..." and I couldn't make them be any more eloquent than that! Which is useless and so I just skipped on to THE BROTHERS. And it was GLORIOUS!

Yet Another Level On Which There Is Something Wrong With Damon! It's even better than Mario Kart, or, you know, whatever it is that the cool kids are playing these days...!

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upupa_epops January 3 2012, 23:40:19 UTC
Oh dear, a Katherine meta, I wouldn't even know where to begin...

Just out of pure curiosity - why don't you like Lexi? I have very mixed feelings myself, but there are not many people who dislike her strongly, so I'm very interested what you'd say!

I'm glad you liked my metas :).

It's even better than Mario Kart, or, you know, whatever it is that the cool kids are playing these days...!

I have no idea what are they playing, but it can't possibly be better than Things That Are Wrong With Damon!

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waltzmatildah January 4 2012, 09:51:19 UTC
Re. Katherine. Oh, I know! I've tried and failed on NUMEROUS occasions to put that incredible woman into words. It's is not possible. She transcends consonants and vowels, I'm telling you!

Re. Lexi. I guess I really just don't understand her. Like, why the hell did she decide to be Stefan's saviour and completely throw Damon to the curb? I mean, we never really got any reason for why she chose one over the other. Especially right back at the start. Damon was just as new to the business of being a vampire as Stefan was, AND he had the added drama of living with a dude that was off the rails. And she was basically all, I'll take it from here. You can make your own way.

Then I hated that she tried to attack Liz Forbes. I know 99% of fandom LOATHE that Damon killed her, but as the Damon/Liz friendship is one of my favourites, and the alternative to Damon killing her was Lexi killing Liz, I am all for what he did. There were MANY motives for Damon's actions that night. He got the heat off him and his brother, he saved Caroline's mother (a fact that Elena seems to have COMPLETELY glossed over, btw). All Lexi had to do was turn and run. I know it's vampiric instinct to attack, and so she did what she did. But, then, so did Damon. And I'm glad he did.

Then, that whole rapid-detox with Stefan in season three made ZERO sense to me. I don't care how brutal this show gets, it can't really shock me in that regard (and it didn't here), so when I say it made zero sense, I don't mean the brutality was senseless, just... the whole idea of what she was doing made no sense. And then the writers kinda backed that theory up the very next episode by having Damon break him out and feed him bar wench blood all night... Just, why? I don't get it. I mean, I get it in the context of the points you've made above, and I agree with all of them pretty much. But, there is A LOT that has to be inferred to come up with your theories. The show haven't really given us all that much to work with, tbh.

Also, (I really needed dot points! Haha!), I HATE, HATE, HATE the cheesey way she was introduced. LOATHE IT WITH THE POWER OF A THOUSAND SUNS. It was tacky and cheap and SUCH A STEREOTYPE COP OUT. Hated it. And her from that point, pretty much. Writers, you were LAZY. SO. FREAKING. LAZY.

Anyway, yeah. I never warmed to her character and am not sad she's gone. Also, I think the chick playing her has a weird face and freaky eyes. There is also that! /shallow.

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