The wonderful and K is because I don't think those were related to anything.
I agree that the humans should have no idea how to read/write alien language, however in ID4 they found means of fighting back and surviving. In WOTW all they had to do was run. Granted you can probably still make a good story out of that, this movie did not.
The excuse is that "every other movie is like that...". That doesn't make the shitty plot any better is what I was getting at.
I'd also like to make a comment that I think Tom Cruise is actually a good if not great actor. Collateral was near excellent movie. I also like The Last Samuri and Incident Report. And I think just about everyone liked Top Gun (please no flaming here) and Rainman, although Rainman was mostly Dustin Houghman. The Color of Money is another good example. And it wasn't Tim Robbins that made him so good, it was the role he was put in. Acting crazy is what people should be doing because if that happened, that would just be fucking nuts.
On a somewhat of a side note, you can transform just about any Windows program and run it on a Mac if you put enough time/effort into it.
I think you need to think more about what you say you understand (you said you knew the bacteria thing is how the book went...) before you start slaughtering this movie because of it.
The original movie was just that, the book had no excuse. I could have referenced the original movie as well.
The bacteria would have been a decent weapon had it not ended the movie in 3 minutes.
I guess its just a different take. I dont see how it was a shitty plot, the only difference was that humans could not shoot their way out of the situation. I dont see why it makes something shitty just because humans couldnt find the answer for it.
I mean, you didnt like that everyone survived, and you say its like every other movie or whatever. But you also dont like that humans didnt solve the problem, something that would have made it like every other movie.
I cant figure out what you want, which is why I dont understand all your problems with the movie. You seem to want them to do everything every other movie has done (the humans find the answer), yet dont want them to do what every other movie has done (the main chars survive).
I am scared and confused!
I guess I will stay on the edge about the bacteria ending the movie. I dont know how they would have dragged that out anymore. I mean, they caught a cold or some other virus that they have never encountered, and it kicked their asses. I dont know how they would have turned that into another half hour or more thing. Explain what disease they caught? The aliens were all in contact with the atmosphere around the same time. They dont explain their physiology, but I would say that they all probably got sick within a days time. They only showed one of the alien ships already disabled, who knows for how long, and the other one was just getting taken down. They dont say how long it took for all the ships to get disabled, you dont even know that the reason that everyone survived in the end (the family I mean) wasnt because a day before that first ship they showed disabled was disabled early on. The other one could have just recently started being effected.
You could nag at them for not explaining it more, but all movies as I said have to pick and choose on what goes in because of time. If they added an explenation or extended the ending, they would have had to cut more out of the beginning or middle, which would just give people some other reason to complain.
Okay, the thing that I dislike about this movie is the contradicting events and unexplained behavior. I will elaborate:
1. The aliens planted the machines underground millions of years ago. Why didnt they just take over the Earth then since humans if they existed were obviously less advanced.
2. Why didnt they die from the bacteria then? If they did, then they would know about it....
3. I did not like how the entire movie was spent running ad then in 5 minutes time the aliens are dying and the movie is over...
other than that, the movie is worth seeing once- but its nothing spectacular
I mean, you didnt like that everyone survived Agree with that statement, someone should have, you saw how close that beam got to Tom Cruise like 10 times.
and you say its like every other movie or whatever
That was you. You referenced that by saying "so yeah of course he survives all the situations, find me a movie where that doesnt happen". Do not put words in my mouth please.
But you also dont like that humans didnt solve the problem
It is not JUST that, they didn't even know why they were dying, they just took it for granted and assumed they were going to live in peace. Coming from a person that doesn't remember the origonal movie very well, I didn't remember the bacteria thing until after. They did not show how the people knew they were dying, it was an "anouncer" that told you so. They had no clue what was going on yet they were all calm about it. This is why I referenced a 3 minute ending, however, explaining it at the end would have dragged the movie on, but that doesn't make the current one any better.
You seem to want them to do everything every other movie has done (the humans find the answer), yet dont want them to do what every other movie has done (the main chars survive).
Once again, words in my mouth. You gave it the excuse, I never referenced other movies, I try to analyze the movie at hand.
The key to a good movie is just that...a good movie. They built plot at the beginning by showing you the relationship of the family. That meant jack shit throughout the entire movie because I think just about any family would try to stick together if there were aliens coming. They had no real story/plot except run from aliens and survive the most amazing shit which I stated looked amazing, however the plot (if there even was one) wasn't progressive whatsoever. He let his son leave him SO EASILY, if that were me I would have to shoot my son in the leg or something and take him with me. He didn't care in the beginning and not that much more when he was about to lose him. The only "progress" in the relationship was when his kid called him Dad to wake him up while driving. I'm sorry if I can't just accept good animation, the movie was very well done and each part seemed to be played out, but i'm looking for story, and that is the end of my story.
But anyway, I dont think it would have made sense for them to follow a guy that ends up dying, so yeah of course he survives all the situations, find me a movie where that doesnt happen.
"Agreed, so lets make another shitty movie that does that. Give it an excuse." -Charlie
It sounded, to me, in the context I took of your writing, that you were saying that the movie was worse off for using a plot situation present in many other movies. Something you, yourself, said. I dont think I put the words in your mouth, I may have changed the actual sentence, but not the meaning.
You didnt say that it was unimportant, you didnt say you liked that they let the main chars live, you said you didnt like it, and said it was like every other movie, therefor, you dont like that every other movie lets the characters survive. Maybe I am taking what you wrote out of context, but it seems fairly clear.
I dont understand what you were saying about them taking it for granted. They just saw the machines acting strange, and noticed, because of the birds, that the shields were down. You dont then grab a phone, call up the nearest scientists, and then run 3 weeks of research on what is going on.
Fuck that, you blow the shit out of them and dont think twice about it. Which is what they did. They didnt take it for granted, they took the opportunity. Not to beat a dead horse, but same thing in ID4. They used the old alien spaceship, and didnt look back.
As for the family, I am not about to defend that, they were annoying as hell. The original people they used would have been better. I think it was just a scientist or something, and he may have had a girlfriend, or just a girl that tagged along, whose only purpose was to scream every time the aliens came around.
Good ol' 50's movies.
But you cant make Tom Cruise a scientist, nobody would believe that. After, all he does believe in the most backwards scam of a cult BS in the history of our country.
"Agreed, so lets make another shitty movie that does that. Give it an excuse." -Charlie
I agree that what you said is correct. It would not make sense to follow someone that died. However, the guy they followed did not develop any story/plot whatsoever, if that makes any sense. Also, your reference to find any movie where it doesn't happen is merely an excuse for the current movie, in which I felt did a bad job in a developing story.
It sounded, to me, in the context I took of your writing, that you were saying that the movie was worse off for using a plot situation present in many other movies.
It is not worse off as a movie creates its own plot. How it develops and chooses to depict that plot is what makes a movie good or bad.
I dont think I put the words in your mouth, I may have changed the actual sentence, but not the meaning.
You can't really change the meaning, you had a different perception than how I meant it. By you trying to define what I said, that changes the meaning through what you say. (I.E stating that I said it was like every other movie) I consider that putting words in my mouth.
You didnt say that it was unimportant, you didnt say you liked that they let the main chars live, you said you didnt like it, and said it was like every other movie, therefor, you dont like that every other movie lets the characters survive. Maybe I am taking what you wrote out of context, but it seems fairly clear.
I'm sorry but this doesn't seem clear to me at all. I will respond by breaking it down:
-I didn't say what was unimportant? -I said I didn't like that ALL of the main characters lived. -I never said it was like every other movie, as I have far better enjoyed other movies. -I do believe you are taking it out of context.
I dont understand what you were saying about them taking it for granted.
I can understand if I just said took for granted, but the AND assumed is what made me able to leave that word in the sentence. They took for granted that the machines were dying, without knowing why or how. Yes they attacked ONE machine. Everyone just seemed to relax for no reason however, as in assuming there were to be no other invaders that have taken the bacteria into consideration (or for as far as the humans knew, whatever was hurting/killing the invaders). Maybe the current aliens on the planet had a 24 hour life span and more were to come. Who knows? I know they (the humans in the movie) didn't by the way it was depicted.
You dont then grab a phone, call up the nearest scientists, and then run 3 weeks of research on what is going on.
This is slightly funny because this seems more reasonable than what was done in the movie.
Fuck that, you blow the shit out of them and dont think twice about it. Which is what they did.
They showed one machine get attacked. You have to ASSUME everyone else in the world realized this which isn't hard to believe, but come on, show a few more get their ass kicked.
They didnt take it for granted, they took the opportunity. Not to beat a dead horse, but same thing in ID4. They used the old alien spaceship, and didnt look back.
You cannot compare ID4, at least not in this fashion. I almost wrote all the reasons why ID4 was better but I soon realized it would take a while. But to quickly reference what you have said, yes they used the opportunity in ID4. However, they understood why this opportunity was there and in fact created it themselves (hence the understanding).
It is very hard to go between movies like this. You can't make one movie better by pointing out the weakness of another, either a movie is good or it isn't. I can tell you why I like ID4 over War of the Worlds but liking ID4 isn't what made me dislike War of the Worlds.
I agree that the humans should have no idea how to read/write alien language, however in ID4 they found means of fighting back and surviving. In WOTW all they had to do was run. Granted you can probably still make a good story out of that, this movie did not.
The excuse is that "every other movie is like that...". That doesn't make the shitty plot any better is what I was getting at.
I'd also like to make a comment that I think Tom Cruise is actually a good if not great actor. Collateral was near excellent movie. I also like The Last Samuri and Incident Report. And I think just about everyone liked Top Gun (please no flaming here) and Rainman, although Rainman was mostly Dustin Houghman. The Color of Money is another good example. And it wasn't Tim Robbins that made him so good, it was the role he was put in. Acting crazy is what people should be doing because if that happened, that would just be fucking nuts.
On a somewhat of a side note, you can transform just about any Windows program and run it on a Mac if you put enough time/effort into it.
I think you need to think more about what you say you understand (you said you knew the bacteria thing is how the book went...) before you start slaughtering this movie because of it.
The original movie was just that, the book had no excuse. I could have referenced the original movie as well.
The bacteria would have been a decent weapon had it not ended the movie in 3 minutes.
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I mean, you didnt like that everyone survived, and you say its like every other movie or whatever. But you also dont like that humans didnt solve the problem, something that would have made it like every other movie.
I cant figure out what you want, which is why I dont understand all your problems with the movie. You seem to want them to do everything every other movie has done (the humans find the answer), yet dont want them to do what every other movie has done (the main chars survive).
I am scared and confused!
I guess I will stay on the edge about the bacteria ending the movie. I dont know how they would have dragged that out anymore. I mean, they caught a cold or some other virus that they have never encountered, and it kicked their asses. I dont know how they would have turned that into another half hour or more thing. Explain what disease they caught? The aliens were all in contact with the atmosphere around the same time. They dont explain their physiology, but I would say that they all probably got sick within a days time. They only showed one of the alien ships already disabled, who knows for how long, and the other one was just getting taken down. They dont say how long it took for all the ships to get disabled, you dont even know that the reason that everyone survived in the end (the family I mean) wasnt because a day before that first ship they showed disabled was disabled early on. The other one could have just recently started being effected.
You could nag at them for not explaining it more, but all movies as I said have to pick and choose on what goes in because of time. If they added an explenation or extended the ending, they would have had to cut more out of the beginning or middle, which would just give people some other reason to complain.
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1. The aliens planted the machines underground millions of years ago. Why didnt they just take over the Earth then since humans if they existed were obviously less advanced.
2. Why didnt they die from the bacteria then? If they did, then they would know about it....
3. I did not like how the entire movie was spent running ad then in 5 minutes time the aliens are dying and the movie is over...
other than that, the movie is worth seeing once- but its nothing spectacular
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Agree with that statement, someone should have, you saw how close that beam got to Tom Cruise like 10 times.
and you say its like every other movie or whatever
That was you. You referenced that by saying "so yeah of course he survives all the situations, find me a movie where that doesnt happen". Do not put words in my mouth please.
But you also dont like that humans didnt solve the problem
It is not JUST that, they didn't even know why they were dying, they just took it for granted and assumed they were going to live in peace. Coming from a person that doesn't remember the origonal movie very well, I didn't remember the bacteria thing until after. They did not show how the people knew they were dying, it was an "anouncer" that told you so. They had no clue what was going on yet they were all calm about it. This is why I referenced a 3 minute ending, however, explaining it at the end would have dragged the movie on, but that doesn't make the current one any better.
You seem to want them to do everything every other movie has done (the humans find the answer), yet dont want them to do what every other movie has done (the main chars survive).
Once again, words in my mouth. You gave it the excuse, I never referenced other movies, I try to analyze the movie at hand.
The key to a good movie is just that...a good movie. They built plot at the beginning by showing you the relationship of the family. That meant jack shit throughout the entire movie because I think just about any family would try to stick together if there were aliens coming. They had no real story/plot except run from aliens and survive the most amazing shit which I stated looked amazing, however the plot (if there even was one) wasn't progressive whatsoever. He let his son leave him SO EASILY, if that were me I would have to shoot my son in the leg or something and take him with me. He didn't care in the beginning and not that much more when he was about to lose him. The only "progress" in the relationship was when his kid called him Dad to wake him up while driving. I'm sorry if I can't just accept good animation, the movie was very well done and each part seemed to be played out, but i'm looking for story, and that is the end of my story.
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"Agreed, so lets make another shitty movie that does that. Give it an excuse."
-Charlie
It sounded, to me, in the context I took of your writing, that you were saying that the movie was worse off for using a plot situation present in many other movies. Something you, yourself, said. I dont think I put the words in your mouth, I may have changed the actual sentence, but not the meaning.
You didnt say that it was unimportant, you didnt say you liked that they let the main chars live, you said you didnt like it, and said it was like every other movie, therefor, you dont like that every other movie lets the characters survive. Maybe I am taking what you wrote out of context, but it seems fairly clear.
I dont understand what you were saying about them taking it for granted. They just saw the machines acting strange, and noticed, because of the birds, that the shields were down. You dont then grab a phone, call up the nearest scientists, and then run 3 weeks of research on what is going on.
Fuck that, you blow the shit out of them and dont think twice about it. Which is what they did. They didnt take it for granted, they took the opportunity. Not to beat a dead horse, but same thing in ID4. They used the old alien spaceship, and didnt look back.
As for the family, I am not about to defend that, they were annoying as hell. The original people they used would have been better. I think it was just a scientist or something, and he may have had a girlfriend, or just a girl that tagged along, whose only purpose was to scream every time the aliens came around.
Good ol' 50's movies.
But you cant make Tom Cruise a scientist, nobody would believe that. After, all he does believe in the most backwards scam of a cult BS in the history of our country.
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-Charlie
I agree that what you said is correct. It would not make sense to follow someone that died. However, the guy they followed did not develop any story/plot whatsoever, if that makes any sense. Also, your reference to find any movie where it doesn't happen is merely an excuse for the current movie, in which I felt did a bad job in a developing story.
It sounded, to me, in the context I took of your writing, that you were saying that the movie was worse off for using a plot situation present in many other movies.
It is not worse off as a movie creates its own plot. How it develops and chooses to depict that plot is what makes a movie good or bad.
I dont think I put the words in your mouth, I may have changed the actual sentence, but not the meaning.
You can't really change the meaning, you had a different perception than how I meant it. By you trying to define what I said, that changes the meaning through what you say. (I.E stating that I said it was like every other movie) I consider that putting words in my mouth.
You didnt say that it was unimportant, you didnt say you liked that they let the main chars live, you said you didnt like it, and said it was like every other movie, therefor, you dont like that every other movie lets the characters survive. Maybe I am taking what you wrote out of context, but it seems fairly clear.
I'm sorry but this doesn't seem clear to me at all. I will respond by breaking it down:
-I didn't say what was unimportant?
-I said I didn't like that ALL of the main characters lived.
-I never said it was like every other movie, as I have far better enjoyed other movies.
-I do believe you are taking it out of context.
I dont understand what you were saying about them taking it for granted.
I can understand if I just said took for granted, but the AND assumed is what made me able to leave that word in the sentence. They took for granted that the machines were dying, without knowing why or how. Yes they attacked ONE machine. Everyone just seemed to relax for no reason however, as in assuming there were to be no other invaders that have taken the bacteria into consideration (or for as far as the humans knew, whatever was hurting/killing the invaders). Maybe the current aliens on the planet had a 24 hour life span and more were to come. Who knows? I know they (the humans in the movie) didn't by the way it was depicted.
You dont then grab a phone, call up the nearest scientists, and then run 3 weeks of research on what is going on.
This is slightly funny because this seems more reasonable than what was done in the movie.
Fuck that, you blow the shit out of them and dont think twice about it. Which is what they did.
They showed one machine get attacked. You have to ASSUME everyone else in the world realized this which isn't hard to believe, but come on, show a few more get their ass kicked.
They didnt take it for granted, they took the opportunity. Not to beat a dead horse, but same thing in ID4. They used the old alien spaceship, and didnt look back.
You cannot compare ID4, at least not in this fashion. I almost wrote all the reasons why ID4 was better but I soon realized it would take a while. But to quickly reference what you have said, yes they used the opportunity in ID4. However, they understood why this opportunity was there and in fact created it themselves (hence the understanding).
It is very hard to go between movies like this. You can't make one movie better by pointing out the weakness of another, either a movie is good or it isn't. I can tell you why I like ID4 over War of the Worlds but liking ID4 isn't what made me dislike War of the Worlds.
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