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mr_spock May 15 2010, 02:07:27 UTC
Who was it, Rothchild (?) who said, "Give me control of a country's money supply, and I care not who makes it's laws." (or something like that). Now we see what he meant. Besides borrowing money to actually spend, the bankers have our government paying interest TWICE on the same money. No wonder that even when we reduce spending the deficit grows. grrrr.

Besides which, when the Fed prints paper money, it all costs exactly the same to print no matter what numbers they put on it, but they sell it to the government at the face value. Since we know they make a profit on even the $1 bills, the profit on the $100's & $500's really keeps them in business!

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dafydd May 15 2010, 02:52:00 UTC
The Federal Funds Rate isn't quite zero.

Also, the Federal Funds Rate and Discount Rate only apply to overnight loans. So, effectively, banks only get 1/365th of that 3.5% interest...

(Interestingly, The Fed is privately held, but turns over its profits to the US Treasury. In 2009, that profit was $45 Billion returned to the people of the United States.)

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unixronin May 15 2010, 03:30:01 UTC
The article seems to imply only a handful of banks get that 0% rate. I don't know if that's correct.

It does put a bit of a different complexion on it if it applies only to overnight rates though. Of course, one could argue that daily churn doesn't actually cost the bank anything; they just have to make the same transaction 365 times a year.

$45 billion annual profit from the Fed isn't to be sneezed at. Unfortunately it's a drop in the bucket of current spending.

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dafydd May 15 2010, 04:06:39 UTC
The investorwords.com site says The Fed doesn't directly set the rate, but makes its preferences known through selective buying and selling. I'd call it analogous to being the dealer at a poker table where the players can lend to each other. If one player were getting a flat 0%, I suspect the other players would want to know why.

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dafydd May 15 2010, 04:10:53 UTC
Also, I've only skimmed the article, because I clocked almost 55 hours this week and I'm exhausted. I did note that he was approaching hysteria regarding last week's half-hour crash, but fails to mention the automated trading holds that would have stopped all trading had the markets sunk much lower than they did.

I don't remember what the percentage-drop triggers are, but I do recall the NYSE saying it had a half-hour hold and a 4-hour hold built in to its computers, and that two half-hour holds in a day would result in all trading stopped for the day.

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polaris93 May 15 2010, 06:37:42 UTC
Reading A volcano of oil erupting, I got to the link for Leaked report: Government fears Deepwater Horizon well could become unchecked gusher. I thought I was terrified before I got to that link. I had no idea what terror really is until I read the linked article. We are well and truly screwed, though just how much worse it will get is anyone's guess at this point. It was those vast sheets of red crud spread far across the waters of the Gulf that got to me most, though the idea that somebody might try shutting off that gusher of oil with a nuke is right up there with it. God help us all, because I don't think anyone else can.

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polaris93 May 15 2010, 06:47:24 UTC
Talk about synchronicity, I just ran across this: Could Cleanup Fix for Gulf Oil Spill Lie in Secret Saudi Disaster? - AOL News. I wonder if they can do something with this.

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rain_manpnw May 15 2010, 14:03:28 UTC
So then the question becomes ... which came first - cotton candy or fiberglass?

Just be careful which pink frothy stuff you put in your mouth.

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unixronin May 15 2010, 15:49:02 UTC
Are either of those good to put in your mouth?

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