I'm having trouble with this PSA because I'm also not sure where you're getting some of these points from. Why would someone assume that a bisexual person would fulfill their sexual fantasy? I've never encountered someone who's been afraid to confront a biphobic remark for free of being labeled bisexual. I think that's part of why some queers are biphobic, because it doesn't have the same stigma as being gay because right now it is trendy. That's not to say bisexuals are such because it's trendy but that right now our society views being bisexual as trendy. Also the one statement that I kind of get stuck on is: * Automatically assuming romantic couplings of two women are lesbian, or two men are gay, or a man and a woman are heterosexual. The problem with this statement is that the couples are exactly what you're saying people shouldn't assume they are. Two women in a relationship is a lesbian relationship. The women may be bisexual but they are currently in a lesbian relationship. It's physically impossible to be in a bisexual relationship unless it's a poly one.
Not quitesoarhiunfreeNovember 14 2006, 04:54:48 UTC
I think you might be missing the point. As to the sexual fantasy question, lets be honest here. Men are jerks. I can't count the number of times when I have been in a room with a bunch of guys when there were no women around and the subject of bisexuality is brought up with snide comments and knowing grins. Our culture has engendered the idea that men who identify as bi are gay, and woman who do are into threesomes. We admit to the stupidity of that type of stereotypical bull, but the snickers and elbow nudging continue regardless. Another point you miss is this. If I were in a relationship with a woman who was bisexual, she does not become hetero just because she's walking down the street with me. She still feels attracted to women whether she's with me or not. Unisustree's point was about assumptions, and our annoying human habit of putting labels on people and relationships when we have no real insight as to what lies beyond that first glimse of them.
Re: Not quiteprisoner007November 14 2006, 06:18:38 UTC
Actually it seems like you missed the point I was getting at. If you look at my other posts you'll see I did talk about how just because a person is in a relatioship with one sex doesn't stop them from being attracted to the other. My problem with the PSA was the wording. If it was meant that people in relationships aren't defined by the orientation of that relationship it should have been said that way because as I pointed out it's impossible to have a bisexual relationship. There's a difference between assuming that someone who's bisexual will fullfill your fantasy and assuming that a female bisexual is into threesomes. If the former is meant then it should have been said.
Ariel just did a whole post about how part of the problem with the free wisconson movement was the confusing wording in their ads. I felt she was falling into a similiar trap here, perhaps I did as well in my response.
Re: Not quitesheekaytNovember 15 2006, 00:48:47 UTC
The idea behind the wording was the incorrect assumption in labeling the *person* not the relationhip. I get your point that a relationship strictly between two women is a lesbian relationship, but the fact that two women are dating/screwing does not mean that either or both of the women is necessarily a lesbian.
* Automatically assuming romantic couplings of two women are lesbian, or two men are gay, or a man and a woman are heterosexual.
The problem with this statement is that the couples are exactly what you're saying people shouldn't assume they are. Two women in a relationship is a lesbian relationship. The women may be bisexual but they are currently in a lesbian relationship. It's physically impossible to be in a bisexual relationship unless it's a poly one.
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Our culture has engendered the idea that men who identify as bi are gay, and woman who do are into threesomes. We admit to the stupidity of that type of stereotypical bull, but the snickers and elbow nudging continue regardless.
Another point you miss is this. If I were in a relationship with a woman who was bisexual, she does not become hetero just because she's walking down the street with me. She still feels attracted to women whether she's with me or not.
Unisustree's point was about assumptions, and our annoying human habit of putting labels on people and relationships when we have no real insight as to what lies beyond that first glimse of them.
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Ariel just did a whole post about how part of the problem with the free wisconson movement was the confusing wording in their ads. I felt she was falling into a similiar trap here, perhaps I did as well in my response.
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