Sorry, history's my thing.gryfindormiaApril 30 2006, 07:12:17 UTC
Well, it's implied that there has been a bit of time that has passed between the first and second Pocahontas films. Maybe after the fling they calmed down and backed away and said "wait, is this what we really want"? Plus, in real life, she was only 12 or so when she first met Smith, and she really did marry Kocoum. We don't whatever happened to that marriage, there's no information beyond them getting married, but no more than a year later she was taken into captivity as sort of collateral. There she waited for a year or so and met John Rolfe, who she also married, so it's assumed that there was some sort of divorce or Kocoum's death. Or it could very well be that the English didn't recognize that there was a marriage between them as it wasn't with their religion and customs. They were married only for a couple of years until she died at age 22, I think it was smallpox
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Re: Sorry, history's my thing.meinschuldApril 30 2006, 07:37:19 UTC
The actual story of "Sleeping Beauty" is a great read too. XD Oh! And the Romanovs depicited in "Anastasia" from Fox? Ahahaha, go research them for a bit.
Yes, I agree. Disney does make the world all pretty, but that's so they can blind us with the shine as they take over the globe, one maimed fairy tale at a time. ^^
Re: Sorry, history's my thing.gryfindormiaApril 30 2006, 07:52:04 UTC
I didn't touch Anastasia because it's not Disney but yes, obviously there was no "curse" and they were all shot and killed in 1918 in the countryside, not the day after the October Revolution in St. Petersburg as was depicted in the film. Interesting enough, however, people had a damn hard time trying to kill Rasputin, so the him-not-dying and coming back to life in the film was a remotely amusing hark to the real life events. There were many assasination attempts by palace officials (though very recently there was a report that claimed that it was actually British intelligence, but I'm not sure how true that is) that never went through because he was virtually indestructable. The guy was towering aroud 6'7" or so, and when they finally did kill him in 1916 he was poisoned, thrown in the freezing river for a few miles, and then beaten and shot
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Re: Sorry, history's my thing.sailorlimabeanApril 30 2006, 10:12:00 UTC
Actually in the earliest form of of the Sleeping Beauty text, Germanic I think, a king finds a sleeping beauty in the woods in a forgotten castle and, 'cause she's so pretty, he sleeps with her thinking she is dead. This goes on for awhile, everytime he finds himself in that part of the woods he makes a dead-girl booty call. She ends up having twins (who fairies take care of) and the curse is broken somehow later... glah, I can't remember. I just remember she sleeps through childbirth and rearing...
Re: Sorry, history's my thing.gryfindormiaApril 30 2006, 15:29:06 UTC
I have the original text, are you sure that's in there? There's the whole forgotten castle thing, yes, and he comments how she's dressed like his great-grandmother but I have a translation of the text myself, and I don't have anything on childbirth and rearing. Is it just a passing mention at the end of the story? I don't have my copy with me now to double check. It's possible that either you or me don't have what we with think is the original text.
Re: Sorry, history's my thing.sailorlimabeanApril 30 2006, 23:00:11 UTC
I just read that in my neighbor's "History of Fairytales." Or something similar. It'll take me some time but if you want I can find out the actual name of the book and what their sorce is.
Re: Sorry, history's my thing.sailorlimabeanApril 30 2006, 23:01:39 UTC
Well, maybe the version that this book credits as the first isn't what others consider the first. Since in this version the woman gets preg and has kids, which later versions dump, maybe your book doesn't count that tale as part of the evolution of the story...?
Re: Sorry, history's my thing.kawaiisesshykunApril 30 2006, 08:29:07 UTC
I remember reading The Little Mermaid. It was good. My friend and I were actually just talking about how Disney coats things over in sugar. It's rather interesting.
As for Rasputin in you later comment.. he give me nightmares.. I knew someone really creepy that said he was a direct decendent of Rasputin.. And it's quite possible that he was..Then I learned that it took forever to kill Rasputin. That was interesting to learn. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that it enthralled with hystory. ^^
Re: Sorry, history's my thing.ladymist84May 1 2006, 04:18:44 UTC
I once read a book by the last known descendant of Pocahontas. According to that book, Pocahontas married Kocoum, but he fooled around with her sister. Then, Pocahontas got pregnant, but it was with John Smith's baby because she was fooling around with him while married. She miscarried, Kocoum died, then she helped John Smith escape. She later married John Rolfe and went to England, where she did meet up with John Smith but chose to stay with her husband. (She had a son with him.) On the voyage back to America, she died. So, that's my little bit of info.
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Yes, I agree. Disney does make the world all pretty, but that's so they can blind us with the shine as they take over the globe, one maimed fairy tale at a time. ^^
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"Oh you raped me and got me pregnant while I was asleep? Let's totally get married, yeah?"
"Sure, just watch out for me ogre mother who eats children..."( or was that a different fairytale... so hard to keep them all straight. XD)
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As for Rasputin in you later comment.. he give me nightmares.. I knew someone really creepy that said he was a direct decendent of Rasputin.. And it's quite possible that he was..Then I learned that it took forever to kill Rasputin. That was interesting to learn. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that it enthralled with hystory. ^^
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