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Alrighty, if you think I'm playing this psycho wrong, please let me know! I've been playing him for few months, so I'm still pretty new at him. Still, I'm up for any and all crit you might like to give. I'll take it and work on it as best I can. I would like to clarify up front that this really isn't a place for me to justify how I play Jason, it's

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Re: Darkwing: Again, he started off as the Red Hood and he continues to flit between the two identities, because again he's not set in his superhero identity. Yes, he does very much choose the Red Hood identity in LD 6, but 2 seconds after that is his time point. He has done some patrolling as Red Hood in the game, he has done some patrolling as Darkwing as well, but neither are solid identities for him because again of the fact that he's still malleable. If I wanted to play him as strictly Red Hood, then I would have brought him in from a later time point.

Needless to say, yes I absolutely do admit that his lack of an agenda (while he is trying to build one with Moriarty/Jim, it's something that's still in progress as he doesn't have any concrete allies at this point in time, with the exception of Talia) is OOC, but I do feel that I'm been trying to develop him as well without it just being BE BETTER THAN BATMAN AND KILL EVERYTHING IN THE WAY (as well as the matter of needing to go for mod approval for Jason to start murdering NPCs, which will be necessary with an upcoming plot where Jason does very much go back to the Red Hood persona). It can be frustrating for other muns playing off him when he's constantly doing just one thing and it's frustrating for me to not build CR because of that. I understand that it's a part of playing Jason and that it's not something that should be dismissed either (in that I shouldn't dismiss him having an agenda because I want CR), but it's something I'm trying to balance.

Anyways that was super tl;dr, I apologize so much. But thank you for coming to me with this!

And I can totally summarize if need be, too. Because this is a lot of me rambling on and on about him.

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So...I'm not sure if I'm reading this right, but it sounds as if you've softened the character so you can have more positive CR. Which begs the question why you've chosen a character who, canonly, doesn't really care about what others think of him (his "family" included) or so much in the way of positive relationships, except for a select few who share his thoughts and viewpoints (like Talia).

It seems to me, just from your comments, that you've prioritized OOC demands over IC ones when the latter should come first. In terms of his needing validation (as you say), when he explains himself to Talia, it's not because he needs the approval -- it's because she asks him, and he respects her enough to give her a reason for what he did. If he was uncertain enough about his actions to need validation for killing Egon, Yuri, and the others -- who he didn't even refer to as people, but rather as garbage -- he would have asked Talia first.

In terms of playing Jason as an asshole/godmod, he comes from the school of Batman. It's pretty clear that he is exceptionally capable (the fact that he nearly succeeded in taking Batman out without him realizing it is proof of that) so my advice to you would be not to shy away from the negative aspects of his character. He's not someone who needs to be cuddled or hugged -- sure, it's nice to be understood now and then, but it's not necessary to fulfilling his agenda.

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I didn't mean to soften him for CR, but it is looking like that has happened. And it's something I will absolutely work to correct. You're right in that he doesn't care about his 'family' or positive relationships except those that agree with him. I do feel that I've developed him in game to warrant some of the softening but not to the degree that he is now.

I will continue to disagree on the matter of validation (as it's a huge speaking point in his personality section of his application, which is here, but I can CP if needed to).

And I do agree that he isn't someone who needs to be hugged or cuddle or "redeemed" in any way. He has a great deal of negative qualities that I do play out, such as in the same thread you mentioned between Jason and Bruce or ignoring Clark even though Clark continues to be persistent in trying to soften him up/help him accept some love. I feel it would be wildly unacceptable of me to just ignore those persistent attempts as a mun just because "Jason is an asshole." While there is a definite division between IC and OOC, there's points when I need to take OOC considerations. He can't go around murdering people right now because I haven't asked permission from the mods, as well, he can't be killing all the monsters in the Darkness and completely uncooperative because he would be dead otherwise and that's part of the game dynamic. He strives to be independent but in an environment that *is* stronger than him (i.e. the rules about how there's always a monster stronger than your character in the Darkness) and *will* kill him, there's exceptions that need to be made. And while being occasionally cooperative with those he fights with, things have slipped in as well that he didn't plan to have slip in, such as Clark getting under his skin; listening to Bruce on way more than one occasion to not get killed has led to softening of that distinct boundary between him and his father.

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EDIT: Regardless of his relationships or lack there of, his agenda should be coming first and I should playing out that agenda more than focusing on other areas of his CR. It'll be getting fixed. <3

[under_thehood]

It's okay! Like I said, you've generally got a good grasp on his voice and troll-y ways so you're doing well there, as far as I can see. I would only caution you not to feel as though Jason has to necessarily respond (positively or...at all really) to attempts to help him just because you feel that it wouldn't be fair to the muns of the characters reaching out to him.

Thank you for addressing my concerns! I'll be looking forward to seeing where you take him from here. ♥

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It's not a problem!

And eek one more clarification from my end, as I didn't make this clear from the beginning, but again his canon point is pre-Hush and blah blah blah and I use this canon point for a specific reason because in Batman Annual 25 (which details more the Hush arc from his perspective) the narration provides:

"[JASON] had to see him...

...not as a man... but as the creature he created.

He would face him as a ghost... as a creature created by him... he just wanted to see his face. Hoping to see regret. He did not. And he slipped away before the truth cold be revealed. And with that... he was done. The father had lost a son, and now the son had lost the father. His own mortality had become the wedge between them. And his path was clear." (And it depicts Jason tearing down an article about the old Red Hood)

I continue to read that as him seeking out Bruce and wanting that chance so, even post Lost Days, as Jason is post-Lost Days and pre-Hush, that final loss of Bruce is the what concretely cements him into his BEING BETTER THAN BATMAN agenda. He still cares what Bruce thinks even this far down the timeline.

But anyways yes, thank you. <3