Fourteenth Video||Filtered

Apr 04, 2010 12:09

[The screen clicks on, and Naoya is staring at it rather blandly. If one looks at his surroundings, they could see he's sprawled over a bed, a laptop nearby. This part is Filtered from Kiyoshi, and is utterly unhackable.]Hmn...I'm curious, Somarium. I have two questions...answer both, if you will ( Read more... )

making a point here, they see me trollin they hatin, answer me this, !filter, !video, kiyoshi's gonna hit me for this, ahihi, hmm, well now

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slantedcross April 5 2010, 03:14:58 UTC
Is it actually for their own good, or is it just a pretense?

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un_forgetting April 5 2010, 05:39:10 UTC
Does it matter? Either way, humanity would no longer be able to make any choices on their own.

And ask yourself--who has the right to decide what is for someone's own good? To do something for someone else's own good, particularly against their wishes...isn't that the worst sort of condescension?

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slantedcross April 6 2010, 05:46:57 UTC
So it's 'humanity' now, not just 'a population?'

People do things without having 'the right' to all the time. Just because it is presumptuous or isn't right doesn't make it a less valid option. And aren't there people out there who would surrender their right to choose for themselves, anyway?

For that matter, people choose, of their own free will, to take away the free will of others every day.

To actually answer the question, no. I don't think I would make that decision about an entire population--or the entirety of humanity itself. But if I could protect others by taking away the free will of certain individuals who would be choosing to endanger the free will of others anyway, I would.

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Oh man Yohji you just marked yourself for a hitlist. un_forgetting April 6 2010, 05:50:26 UTC
Quick question. Do you think a good deed is still worth the same if you're literally forced to do it, than by doing it of your own accord?

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YAY HITLI--wait... slantedcross April 6 2010, 05:53:28 UTC
If you're the receiver, yes.

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un_forgetting April 6 2010, 05:57:24 UTC
What a selfish way of thinking.

The concepts of 'good' and 'evil' are worthless without choice. Without choice, there's no capacity for thought, or development, or change.

But I'm betting you don't believe in redemption, either.

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slantedcross April 6 2010, 06:06:00 UTC
Well, you would win that bet.

The concepts of 'good' and 'evil' are so overshadowed by the intermittent shades of gray that anyone claiming one or the other is lying. You can lean more towards one than the other, but that's it. The world is an ugly place, with humanity as its darkest stain. As much time as we've had for change, it hasn't happened yet.

People still lie, cheat, and steal. People still kill.

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....t-this may end with Naoya hunting yohji down oh christ un_forgetting April 6 2010, 06:10:30 UTC
A perfect world doesn't exist. You yourself are the greatest sinner, speaking just like those damn angels...

I have lived far longer than you can comprehend. I know in painful detail what humans are capable of. I have more reason to hate this world and these people than you will ever have the misfortune to have.

But you know what? It's not their fault. We were created this way. And we are kept from changing by the same God who tells us we are sinful and must repent. He keeps humanity miserable, so they will turn to His salvation.

Humans are more than capable of that change. But it's a choice they have to make--if it's made for them, no one will ever learn anything. That's why it's come this far.

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slantedcross April 6 2010, 06:23:58 UTC
I know I can't be saved.

The majority of people are never going to make that choice--to do what is right. If it's easier to kill someone, they will; if it brings them pleasure to kill, they will do it then, too.

The best we can do is eliminate the problem. That will allow those in the light to flourish. Then, and only then, will there be a change.

And even then, that decision isn't 'right.' Quite the reverse. But it is necessary.

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un_forgetting April 6 2010, 06:24:55 UTC
And you decide what is right? Are you omniscient, to know these things?

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slantedcross April 6 2010, 06:26:31 UTC
I just do what I'm told.

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un_forgetting April 6 2010, 06:28:00 UTC
Which means, in all likelihood, you've killed plenty of those you'd deem don't deserve it yourself.

Who's going to come for you, Kudou?

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slantedcross April 6 2010, 06:30:34 UTC
Don't know. I just hope he makes it quick.

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un_forgetting April 6 2010, 06:33:40 UTC
I doubt it. If it were me, I wouldn't.

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slantedcross April 6 2010, 06:35:48 UTC
I probably wouldn't, either.

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