Agree with the clapping...every 5 minutes the audience clapped forever and often at really generalized, mostly just emotional, points. I thought the audience was the weird part of the evening. At one point, it felt like I was at a pro-America rally or something. Strange...
Actually I agree with you about the flier. Originally it was just something we passed around the meeting and we weren't going to make it public, but I guess the board just changed it's mind, I dunno.
Israel Flag at the endlibpaulFebruary 8 2007, 04:14:18 UTC
I am surprised that his gift at the end was the flag of Israel. I wrote about this in my facebook note as well, but if you are "Pro-America", then you shouldnt equate the Israel flag with the USA flag, nor should you proudly show it as you would a USA flag. Israel is not the same as USA...
Re: Israel Flag at the endmonaaFebruary 8 2007, 04:16:17 UTC
Can you link to your facebook note (or copy/paste)? I'm curious to hear more about this. Pro-America usually equals pro-Israel though, so in a way it does make some sense.
if that doesnt work, just look me up on facebook. Basically, the guy talks about his life story, and makes a lot of comments against Fundamental Islam.
1. The accuracy of the rigged-question session was always in doubt (in my opinion) and it was stupid for that to be released.
2. The first link is rather interesting. I saw the sacbee article but the comments in the first are what strike me most. We didn't tone down our protest in response to UCI's aggressive action towards Daniel Pipes. We never agreed on that and it was never our intention to be that disruptive. It's funny how we're branded as creepy theatre majors because we wanted a silent protest. If we were loud and rowdy it would have been typical Muslim fanaticism, but respectful protest labels you as creepy. Lose-lose situation apparently.
It's not the same kind of disruption that involves chanting and yelling, etc. There are obviously several ways to go when it comes to protest and standing up and then sitting back down didn't stop his speech or drown him out or anything of the sort. Everyone there was able to hear every single word he said and he finished his speech without any verbal interruption
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As someone who shares Zionism with Shoebat but still is definitely not fond of the guy, I definitely was interested in hearing him speak. I was very happy that the MSA chose to protest in a respectful way. There were only two problems that I had: the theme of everyone being "silenced," as, in this case at least, it was pretty free (much more free than, for example, a rigged Norman Finkelstein Q&A session, or, the rights of attendees to hear the admittedly offensive Daniel Pipes lecture), and that the standing up and sitting down made no sense to the uninformed
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Respectful criticism and questioning of the Qur'an is perfectly acceptable, the problem arises when it is attacked instead of criticized. There is a significant difference.
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Thanks, that's what we wanted.
Going to see the MSA bring Norman Finkelstein??
Hell yeah.
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if that doesnt work, just look me up on facebook. Basically, the guy talks about his life story, and makes a lot of comments against Fundamental Islam.
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2. The first link is rather interesting. I saw the sacbee article but the comments in the first are what strike me most. We didn't tone down our protest in response to UCI's aggressive action towards Daniel Pipes. We never agreed on that and it was never our intention to be that disruptive. It's funny how we're branded as creepy theatre majors because we wanted a silent protest. If we were loud and rowdy it would have been typical Muslim fanaticism, but respectful protest labels you as creepy. Lose-lose situation apparently.
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