I'm going to go with Serial Killer!Murdery Ianto here. I really did enjoy that plotline because ... holy shit, it just proved that there is some potential for darkness in there. I would have loved to explore that some more.
Oh, I think he's had a bit of a dark side since he was a kid. He's just too honestly a decent guy to let it show much. But a guy who will literally whore himself to hide a large and desperate truth is not a guy to be trifled with.
Except by me. *trifles*
I'm with you though: did Adam plant "the bad stuff" because he saw the potential in him, or because he wanted to punish him as hideously as possible for being clever enough to figure out his game? Gruesome either way.
Well that dark side was present; I mean, if you looked in the archives, he had been to jail for several months for stealing. I mean, it wasn't like he killed anyone, but he mouthed off at a judge and was basically a delinquent. Who, Ianto? LOL. But yeah, the potential for badness is there. I mean, finding out at the end of COE the lie about his father -- it leads to wonder, what else was he hiding? What else was he lying about? No one knows. Who knows what kind of deep, dark, sinister secrets were hiding in Ianto's closet next to those immaculate suits.
And I would like to have known that -- I like to think that it was true and he had it retconned out of him. ;)
See, I think the Dad!Lie was more about class embarrassment than anything else. From everything we learn in CoE, it really seems to me that Ianto really never wanted Jack to know that he was from the projects.
I have friends who are in this position, where they have clawed their way out and into the educated middle class alone amongst their families, and it's painful to them. They can't go home again, and they feel a bit defensive and fraudulent in the world they've claimed as their own.
The ideology is that if you can lie about your class, lie about hiding your cybergirlfriend in the basement, there are other skeletons in your closet. He learned to lie so well that it was hard to tell what was the lie and the truth sometimes. He was, even just a little bit, a conman just as Jack.
I like to think that way anyway. It gives him some kind of depth to me. His class notwithstanding. It wouldn't matter, really. He was clever, he had sticky fingers, he was witty, he was smart. He was cunning, he could lie, he could charm you. And those are all of the things that people love about Jack and made him an excellent conman.
I'm going to go with Serial Killer!Murdery Ianto here. I really did enjoy that plotline because ... holy shit, it just proved that there is some potential for darkness in there. I would have loved to explore that some more.
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Except by me. *trifles*
I'm with you though: did Adam plant "the bad stuff" because he saw the potential in him, or because he wanted to punish him as hideously as possible for being clever enough to figure out his game? Gruesome either way.
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Well that dark side was present; I mean, if you looked in the archives, he had been to jail for several months for stealing. I mean, it wasn't like he killed anyone, but he mouthed off at a judge and was basically a delinquent. Who, Ianto? LOL. But yeah, the potential for badness is there. I mean, finding out at the end of COE the lie about his father -- it leads to wonder, what else was he hiding? What else was he lying about? No one knows. Who knows what kind of deep, dark, sinister secrets were hiding in Ianto's closet next to those immaculate suits.
And I would like to have known that -- I like to think that it was true and he had it retconned out of him. ;)
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I have friends who are in this position, where they have clawed their way out and into the educated middle class alone amongst their families, and it's painful to them. They can't go home again, and they feel a bit defensive and fraudulent in the world they've claimed as their own.
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The ideology is that if you can lie about your class, lie about hiding your cybergirlfriend in the basement, there are other skeletons in your closet. He learned to lie so well that it was hard to tell what was the lie and the truth sometimes. He was, even just a little bit, a conman just as Jack.
I like to think that way anyway. It gives him some kind of depth to me. His class notwithstanding. It wouldn't matter, really. He was clever, he had sticky fingers, he was witty, he was smart. He was cunning, he could lie, he could charm you. And those are all of the things that people love about Jack and made him an excellent conman.
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