By the way, I think of them as just shagging and not really being that emotionally attached, but I don't know how much evidence there is for much emotion/romance really at any point in series 1. I think there is a lot of attraction though.
I meant the emotional baggage/fall-out from the Lisa debacle and then the idea that Ianto, who gets pretty emotional just from the idea of being attracted to Jack in Fragments is then coolly screwing Jack while Lisa, the woman he supposedly loves and is committed to, lies strapped and injured and in pain in basement below them and that supposedly being no big thing. And then not long after she's finally killed off and all their plans are shot to hell Ianto being all casual 'hey, Jack, do you want screw again'. For me this storyline already comes with a ton of that kind of baggage/wtf just from what we get on-screen that the show either never thought about or just overlooked nevermind what tptb suggest might have happened in their off-screen interviews. I feel like if they wanted all this stuff to be happening on-screen they should have had it happen on-screen and not just talked about it in passing off-screen. I mean if they could devote an entire episode to the life and times of a one-off character like Eugene then I think they could have spared a minute or two to give a storyline that spanned three seasons a bit more depth.
I see it differently though. I think there is attraction, and I think the scene in Fragments is really telling when Ianto has tears in his eyes. I don't think Ianto was ever coldly doing anything. I would see him as very conflicted. I think they are affectionate and friendly but what I meant was I don't think it's a great romance in series 1, or at least not shown on screen, but I could make an argument that it is in series 2. I'm not saying it's ethically right, although I could come up with a scenario that has Ianto realising in his heart that Lisa is long gone, but assuming he didn't, then it may be ethically dodgy, but I can see him using sex as comfort, especially with what he'd been through, and divorcing that from Lisa.
I don't really have a problem with the idea that there might have been an attraction between them or the idea that they might have been involved with each other pre-Cyberwoman although I don't see any evidence of that on screen. My issue is with the way their relationship, such as we get, plays out as if the Lisa incident never happened and Jack is just some guy Ianto happens to be hot for. There's not even a hint of the emotional conflict we get in Fragments from Ianto just realising he's attracted to Jack. I think the reason why this idea works for me in fanfiction in a way it doesn't in canon is precisely because that aspect isn't usually ignored. It's incorporated as a part of the relationship and minefield they have to navigate. I think BeesandBrews s1 series is a great example of this for me.
I meant the emotional baggage/fall-out from the Lisa debacle and then the idea that Ianto, who gets pretty emotional just from the idea of being attracted to Jack in Fragments is then coolly screwing Jack while Lisa, the woman he supposedly loves and is committed to, lies strapped and injured and in pain in basement below them and that supposedly being no big thing. And then not long after she's finally killed off and all their plans are shot to hell Ianto being all casual 'hey, Jack, do you want screw again'. For me this storyline already comes with a ton of that kind of baggage/wtf just from what we get on-screen that the show either never thought about or just overlooked nevermind what tptb suggest might have happened in their off-screen interviews. I feel like if they wanted all this stuff to be happening on-screen they should have had it happen on-screen and not just talked about it in passing off-screen. I mean if they could devote an entire episode to the life and times of a one-off character like Eugene then I think they could have spared a minute or two to give a storyline that spanned three seasons a bit more depth.
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