Amy's latest efforts at Celebrity Manipulation--Misha Collins

[turimel]

Got an anonymous message today from yet another Supernatural fan. How many of Amy Player's strategies can YOU identify? We should make up a Bingo game for this stuff:

Comments

[lovedatjoker]

Okay, so I've followed this whole thing since it began and I just have one question: are you EVER going to swallow your transphobic cis 'pride' and just call Andy by his proper name and pronouns? You can scream til you're blue in the face but your refusal to do so IS transphobic in the extreme and more than anything else makes it nearly impossible to have sympathy for you.
And just so we're clear: I have ALWAYS believed that Andy is a POS scamming cult leader; not once have I ever been on his side. But you let your bitterness and rage cloud your judgement on this and it doesn't do you any favours.
It's staggering how differently yours and Abbey's blogs read. I started reading Abbey's blog believing, as was presented all along, that she was one of the baddies and came out the other side shaken, my heart wholly with her. Maybe because I have been through similar things it was easy to empathise with. Maybe the truth and sincerity just shone through. Probably both. It upsets me greatly all the time she was a victim yet being depicted as a villain. It happens to too many victims. I understand why everyone thought she was (so did I!) but it was still heartbreaking to realise just how alone she was.
But I have only ever read your blog to stay abreast of what's going on; your spite and petty vindictiveness have nearly always shone through and left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I remember in the very early days of this blog, the wankas mocking you and me feeling no, you had a RIGHT to be angry, to want to expose Andy. But as time passed and you betrayed all too many unsavoury aspects of your own character... not that I didn't feel you should continue to expose Andy but how... poisoned you were by it. you do not even have a right to so much rage, ABBEY does, but you cling to this like it's the only meaning your life has... Abbey writes with maturity and insight and humour and grace; you just never seem to either grow up from your childishness or grow out of your meanness.
and no don't tell me you and Abbey have worked things out. If anything Abbey is far too gracious and forgiving towards you, you pepper every comment you make to her with a thousand mean little digs, not least this rubbish idea you have even a fraction of the right to the anger she does towards Andy, and she rarely, if ever, calls you on them. From where I sit, you throw her generosity back in her face in so many obnoxious ways. She's the one who's made real progress and you've made none. What you went through is not remotely the same as what she did. And you garnish it all with your disgusting, relentless transphobia.
Never bothered to say anything to you before this... it seemed like a waste of time. and it probably is, for a lot of reasons, but god... the day you stop being so transphobic and ADMIT that what you have been is the day we will all know you've TRULY turned an ACTUAL corner.
and you need to turn some major ones. You are as stagnant in your personal growth as Andy.

[turimel]

I'm always amazed when people who have never met me, read over this LJ that was over 10 years in the making, and decide that this represents the whole entirety of my psyche. You Have No. Idea. what kind of person I am, or what corners I've turned, or what ways I've grown. Why do you think you are in ANY position to judge me, stranger? Do you think this blog is all I am?

My friendship with Abbey is none of your damn business, and again, you weren't present at the times we've met, you haven't seen the private letters we exchange--and if you choose to read negativity into the messages I leave for Abbey, that's YOUR problem.

I have no respect for Amy Player. I refer to her as her birth name and gender because SHE IS A FUCKING CON ARTIST and she swaps identities in order to conceal or at least obfuscate her identity. Why do people like you insist that I must be a transphobe? I'm not. It's that simple. I refuse to play along with the identity games of someone who has assumed BOTH male and female identities in order to scam people.

If your tender heart is so bruised by the bitterness in this LJ, why in ghod's name do you read it?

[lovedatjoker]

er... as I clearly stated, to stay abreast of Andy's antics, is why. I do actually BELIEVE that he should continue to be exposed. That is probably the only thing to say in your merit. At the very least you have tracked his bullshit and that is important.
Andy has had one consistent gender identity for YEARS. His gender identity is NOT part of the con, this has been pointed out to you countless times by countless people. Your refusal to acknowledge it makes a statement only about YOU as a person.
And even the lies he told about having a dick, etc... proves nothing except that, like a lot of trans people, he was incredibly unhappy and ill at ease with his body and desperately wanted people to see him as his true gender. That's psych 101, for chrissakes. Lying about it was a natural extension for him, but many trans people live stealth (for reasons of safety... a lot of people, once finding out someone is trans, refuse to use their preferred name and pronouns... JUST LIKE YOU!)
I mean, I can't BELIEVE I'm here defending Andy on any level, I HATE the guy. You need to grow the fuck up, admit you're a transphobe and let your gross transphobia GO.
The fact that all it ever does is get you in trouble from EVERYONE except people as equally transphobic as you should really have tipped you off by now.
You're right - I don't know you! But I do know you have point blank refused to grow on this issue which speaks volumes about you in general. Abbey herself has pointed out repeatedly his gender identity is a red herring. If you and she have such a great relationship now WHERE is your humility and your capacity to LEARN from HER? Of all the people you should listen to about what makes him tick, she is number one. Frankly, if you guys have a friendship, that is an act of saint-like generosity on her part. Good grief.

[turimel]

Lovedat, I am NOT transphobic, or homophobic, or any other sexual-orientation phobic. I keep giving the same answer because it REMAINS TRUE.

If you take a look at Amy Player's patterns over the past ten years, you'll notice something: Whenever she gets caught in a lie, her story changes. That's part of her "appeal" as a sociopath--> if people don't like her answer to something, she immediately changes the answer and expresses it with INCREDIBLE fake sincerity. That's how she's able to keep people on the hook through such unbelievable lies and bullshit--she has a natural ability to suss out what people want to hear, what they'll believe, and she provides it.

All I have is the truth. One story. That story is: I do not believe that Amy has any genuine transgender feelings. Frankly, I don't believe she has ANY genuine emotions. That's why I "trot out the same tired excuse" every time... because I don't change my story away from the truth.

What I DO believe is that Amy has discovered that when she cops a male identity, she can get away with a LOT MORE than she can as a female. I believe 100% that she has, AS WITH EVERY OTHER IDENTITY, copped someone else's heartrending story on the internet, turned it into her own, and milked it for every drop of sympathy she can get out of it. That is ALSO Psych 101 for sociopaths. They stick to their lies until there is absolutely no one left who believes them.

She has lied about every other detail in her life. I am not willing to believe that this is any different from "I was sold to the same child sex ring as Jon Benet Ramsey" or "I'm a naive Scottish girl with a horrible eye infection." "I'm a poor persecuted transman and Turimel is only picking on me because she's a transphobe" is just another lie.

As long as she has people like you backing her and supporting her on the lie, she will stick to this story. It's working exactly the way she wants it to work: She wants people to believe the lie, and defend the lie, and discredit her "enemies." You're one of her minions. Do you understand that? You and all the wankas, many of whom laughed and pointed at us "gully bulls" who were "stupid enough to fall for Amy's obvious bullshit..." You're all falling for it in exactly the same way. We fell for the story of "I'm related to Elijah Wood and that's why the cast loves me and will come to Bit of Earth events." You're falling for the "I'm a trans" lie.

You're JUST as indignant and angry and supportive of Amy regarding this lie, as we were when a gorram sheriff's detective came in and said, "BTW, do you know "Jordan" is really a girl named Amy Player?" Believe me, I GET IT. I couldn't imagine how the truth could possibly be true. Amy and Abbey both defended her, vehemently--"No, the cop had it wrong, Amy's an ex girlfriend, we drove Amy to the coast and dropped her off..." You know the story. Every word of it was a lie, but they shoveled it out like God's own truth. And we bought it--because Amy is a FANTASTIC liar. The skill with which she manipulates people is inhuman.

And now she's shoveling Transman, and you're gobbling it up. And attacking me because I believe differently. Welcome to the club.

[lovedatjoker]

and you have trotted out this same 'justification' for your transphobia a zillion times before. It's bullshit and is just a smokescreen for your rampant T R A N S P H O B I A

[grannieof2]

Isn't transphobia an attitude displayed toward ALL trans people? Most phobias are inclusive like that. If that's true, then someone who dislikes a specific trans person isn't phobic; she just doesn't like him. And the person using the label is playing the red herring game.

I'm not aware of any claims on Andy's part to being trans (maybe I missed something). Andy continues to claim that he's a cis/straight male. He's not claiming trans status; you are, and furthering the red herring. He's claiming an identity that is manifestly, demonstrably false. I don't care what his actual status is; it's his life and his choice as to how to present himself. To me, the important thing, the crucial point, is the lie. Not sure what to make of people who attempt to turn this into a crusade to defend trans people. God knows they need defending, but not in this case.

[numb3r_5ev3n]

I am genderqueer/nonbinary, and I am sick of seeing Andy Blake roping Useful Idiots into defending him. Andy Blake is the human equivalent of an idling truck with a disposable banner, peddling shoddy and ill-gotten goods out of the back to the gullible, before it tears off into the night to escape the consequences of the latest debacle. People have died because of his deceptions. I am tired of seeing people flaming people for assuming that any aspect of his latest assumed identity is a part of that disposable banner. He is exploiting the Trans community and using them as a meat shield.

[numb3r5ev3n]

Same person, 10 years later, slightly different username (I deleted my old journal.)

I've gone further down my own trans/nonbinary/agender journey, and I regret making this statement the way that I did now. Nobody should be questioning if someone is a "real Transgender person," even back in the Year Of Our Lord 2014. But none of this takes away from the real harm that Andy Blake has done and continues to do.