I'm totally green at this, you would think after modding another comm for like 4 years I would know how to do this by now- lies lies. Also pimping is encouraged *waves*.
I had so much more to say about this - and still do! - but the holidays happened and I died.
The Avengers movie is going to kill my soul. I just know it! How is Thor going to able to stand it? I swear, if they make Thor all ~rawr I am a manly man and will fight this villain I called brother for so many ages, I will die. My heart will never be whole again. (I also just found out about Thor 2! I am so excited afkajs!) I'm just hoping it's not a Jane/Thor lovefest. I genuinely dislike her as a character. I think it's probably because she's played by Natalie Portman who...I'm sorry, but I just can't stand her. She took what could have been an interesting character - someone smart and capable and a fucking physicist! - and, I don't know. It's hard to explain, but I felt like she completely undermined the character by making her into this teenage girl. She used this baby voice and played up this starry-eyed little girl crush and I'm like really? You have to split this character into little girl crush and serious physicist. You can't marry them together to make a whole character. Unpopular opinion, but I think she's an awful actress. Except for Black Swan, I'm consistently disappointed by her. All of my Natalie Portman/Jane Foster dissatisfaction aside, the thing that also legitimately infuriated me about that storyline was the way it was portrayed at the end. Suddenly, this woman that Thor knew for what? Three days? became more important than his own brother. I couldn't even wrap my mind around it. As has been thoroughly demonstrated onscreen, Thor and Loki loved each other however we each choose to interpret that love. I know what camp you and I are in, but even as a brother, how could this even be plausible? A brother! This brother that he loved for all his life and because of what Loki did? I'm sure it had been explained to him at that point in the movie what exactly transpired and while Thor probably didn't grasp the finer details, how could he not see that the one he called brother was in pain? He saw it when Loki let go and he was devastated as he was hanging from Odin's staff. I just don't see how he could be so grief-stricken over this woman and care so little for his brother. And I really mean that apart from my shipping my love for Loki as a character. How do you do that? How could you? Show practically no care for someone you'd spent your whole life loving. In case you couldn't tell, the ending bothered me a lot. It didn't make any sense to me especially after I saw the cut scenes. I still can't wrap my mind around it and I genuinely found it upsetting. Anyway. I'm going to come down from my soapbox now.
And I really marries nicely with Thor's unconditional love for Loki (which I completely agree with). The ending just doesn't sit right with me for exactly that reason. I really do think that Thor loves Loki without restrictions, with conditions - he just does. Loki is his and he is Loki's - again, however people read into that. I feel like that was evident even when Loki and Thor fought on the Bifrost. I didn't see Thor's actions as being motivated by true anger at Loki - it was more of a devastation and a sort of betrayal that he never saw coming. I don't think it ever occurred to Thor that Loki was capable of something like this and without him knowing what took place in his absence, I think that makes it even more devastating. I will never be able to see Thor's actions on that bridge as motivated by revenge. I only see it as him stopping what he truly believes is wrong and also an attempt to save Loki from himself no matter how Loki fought him. And you're right. Loki really, truly doesn't understand. After everything he went through in that short time, thinking his parents never loved him, that he was...stolen property, that he was the monster parents tell their children about - I honestly don't think he could understand anyone loving him at all, let alone unconditionally.
I HAD TOO MUCH TO SAYquickpixieNovember 28 2011, 00:51:08 UTC
so here is pt. 2 of the above comment.
Oh god, NO! The Hitler's son comment was so spot on. It's even what I thought of when I saw the movie. I don't know that there's anyone that invokes a such a universal loathing as Hitler and I thought it was a perfect analogy as to how Loki must have felt.
I think Odin is an honorable guy, too. I don't think he's as dark as some people like to portray him. There's a lot of drawing from the original Norse mythology which I think is great and interesting and makes for a compelling story, don't get me wrong, but in the film, my interpretation, at least, is the same as yours. Odin's really not playing games - although I can see Loki as thinking this - but that there is that guilt there, there is that distance because of his guilt. I really do believe he loves Loki, but I think a part of him was waiting for that day that Loki found out what he really was and what he would think of Odin, no matter how much love Odin showed him, and I feel like Odin thought that if he wasn't so close to Loki, it would hurt less. I think it was a misstep because Frigga was't presented as having that distance and Loki never seemed angry at her for keeping such a secret.
Oh, my heart hurts just talking about this. Oh, Loki. Oh, everyone, really.
The Avengers movie is going to kill my soul. I just know it! How is Thor going to able to stand it? I swear, if they make Thor all ~rawr I am a manly man and will fight this villain I called brother for so many ages, I will die. My heart will never be whole again. (I also just found out about Thor 2! I am so excited afkajs!) I'm just hoping it's not a Jane/Thor lovefest. I genuinely dislike her as a character. I think it's probably because she's played by Natalie Portman who...I'm sorry, but I just can't stand her. She took what could have been an interesting character - someone smart and capable and a fucking physicist! - and, I don't know. It's hard to explain, but I felt like she completely undermined the character by making her into this teenage girl. She used this baby voice and played up this starry-eyed little girl crush and I'm like really? You have to split this character into little girl crush and serious physicist. You can't marry them together to make a whole character. Unpopular opinion, but I think she's an awful actress. Except for Black Swan, I'm consistently disappointed by her. All of my Natalie Portman/Jane Foster dissatisfaction aside, the thing that also legitimately infuriated me about that storyline was the way it was portrayed at the end. Suddenly, this woman that Thor knew for what? Three days? became more important than his own brother. I couldn't even wrap my mind around it. As has been thoroughly demonstrated onscreen, Thor and Loki loved each other however we each choose to interpret that love. I know what camp you and I are in, but even as a brother, how could this even be plausible? A brother! This brother that he loved for all his life and because of what Loki did? I'm sure it had been explained to him at that point in the movie what exactly transpired and while Thor probably didn't grasp the finer details, how could he not see that the one he called brother was in pain? He saw it when Loki let go and he was devastated as he was hanging from Odin's staff. I just don't see how he could be so grief-stricken over this woman and care so little for his brother. And I really mean that apart from my shipping my love for Loki as a character. How do you do that? How could you? Show practically no care for someone you'd spent your whole life loving. In case you couldn't tell, the ending bothered me a lot. It didn't make any sense to me especially after I saw the cut scenes. I still can't wrap my mind around it and I genuinely found it upsetting. Anyway. I'm going to come down from my soapbox now.
And I really marries nicely with Thor's unconditional love for Loki (which I completely agree with). The ending just doesn't sit right with me for exactly that reason. I really do think that Thor loves Loki without restrictions, with conditions - he just does. Loki is his and he is Loki's - again, however people read into that. I feel like that was evident even when Loki and Thor fought on the Bifrost. I didn't see Thor's actions as being motivated by true anger at Loki - it was more of a devastation and a sort of betrayal that he never saw coming. I don't think it ever occurred to Thor that Loki was capable of something like this and without him knowing what took place in his absence, I think that makes it even more devastating. I will never be able to see Thor's actions on that bridge as motivated by revenge. I only see it as him stopping what he truly believes is wrong and also an attempt to save Loki from himself no matter how Loki fought him. And you're right. Loki really, truly doesn't understand. After everything he went through in that short time, thinking his parents never loved him, that he was...stolen property, that he was the monster parents tell their children about - I honestly don't think he could understand anyone loving him at all, let alone unconditionally.
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Oh god, NO! The Hitler's son comment was so spot on. It's even what I thought of when I saw the movie. I don't know that there's anyone that invokes a such a universal loathing as Hitler and I thought it was a perfect analogy as to how Loki must have felt.
I think Odin is an honorable guy, too. I don't think he's as dark as some people like to portray him. There's a lot of drawing from the original Norse mythology which I think is great and interesting and makes for a compelling story, don't get me wrong, but in the film, my interpretation, at least, is the same as yours. Odin's really not playing games - although I can see Loki as thinking this - but that there is that guilt there, there is that distance because of his guilt. I really do believe he loves Loki, but I think a part of him was waiting for that day that Loki found out what he really was and what he would think of Odin, no matter how much love Odin showed him, and I feel like Odin thought that if he wasn't so close to Loki, it would hurt less. I think it was a misstep because Frigga was't presented as having that distance and Loki never seemed angry at her for keeping such a secret.
Oh, my heart hurts just talking about this. Oh, Loki. Oh, everyone, really.
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