Re: Sorry about the user name I'm in the process of nabbing a re-name tokentricoloraMarch 15 2008, 04:18:01 UTC
Oh, movie Prime. Movie Prime, movie Prime, movie Prime. Yeah, I don't much know what to make of him, either. It's like they were on the right road but kept veering off into the ditch over and over. I think the inconsistency alone is enough to knock him down a few notches. Of course you could say the same for poor Bumblebee and his R. Kelly fetish... sigh.
I agree with you on The Day The Earth Stood Still purely on an execution level. The Iron Giant, to me, had just as profound a message, it just executed it more subtly. With the Day the Earth Stood Still we're going movie movie movie movie, then we have alien-Jesus (some more), and then he basically stands up explains the moral of the movie to us. I really admire that the alien describes their robot-run police state as a good thing, and freedom-loving Hollywood doesn't paint that as bad, but it is rather flawed.
I do love me some Gort. He, like most robots from space, whenever they see a female on the ground, they must pick them up and carry them somewhere. ;)
And the Matrix, well, that's a whole other rant unto itself. To me the problem is in the very base concept, and that whole "WE SHALL BE FREE FROM OPPRESSION DAMNIT!" mentality which I take issue with. The Matrix, like Blade Runner, gets a little caught up in its message that the very logic in its existence gets mega mega fudged. When I'm writing in the theater screeching, "But why?!" We have a problem.
I find I get in arguments with film geeks about The Matrix a lot.
I'm glad I didn't see the TF movie as a child, that shit's traumatic! Oh how I'd have cried to see Optimus go down (my God, what were they thinking?) But now, as an adult, I still haven't seen the whole thing but the death that upsets me the most is Starscream's; at least Optimus gets a drawn-out speech and a "hero's" death... arguably. Poor Starscream goes out like a little bitch! Poetic justice, I suppose. Still!
Re: Sorry about the user name I'm in the process of nabbing a re-name tokentricoloraMarch 15 2008, 20:48:43 UTC
...do I want to see it? I don't see what could be worse than seeing Starscream go out like a little bitch (with a cape on). Man the writers must have hated him.
Re: Sorry about the user name I'm in the process of nabbing a re-name tokencathMarch 15 2008, 14:41:00 UTC
I think the thing I love the most about Day is the elegance of Klatus demonstration of power towards the end of the film, the 50s in general were fantastic for subtext heavy sci-fi films in a way that I don't think any other decade has managed. A re-watching is now in order.
And yeah 50s monsters/robots in general seem to have a thing for lugging human women around like some sort of inter-galactic fashion accessory.
Growing up with Transformers, seriously, I was already traumatised when they killed off the shuttle crew, I shouted when they just dragged Wheeljacks body out (he didn't even get a last stand scene) and Prime was the final straw. I was too upset to watch the rest of it at the time.
On Starscream... have to admit I've never been a Decepticon fan, they always seemed so incompetent in the cartoons that I spent a lot of time as a kid wondering how the hell they managed to take over Cybertron and hold it given their only strengths seemed to be flight and lots of guns. The comics do a slightly better job but childhood made me an Autobot fangirl and at the time I was still too busy cursing them over those deaths :)
And movie Prime? Protect humans, have giant death match surrounded by them, attack Simmons and co. then go nowhere near them when they catch Bumblebee; and running away in robot form?? *sigh* Bay logic makes brain hurt.
I'm with you on the Matrix, a lot of it just makes no sense whatsoever and things get ignored in favour of more explosions and 'kewl' visuals. It was fun at the time, but the more thought you put into it the less sense the whole thing makes; and that's without going near the sequels *shudder*
I agree with you on The Day The Earth Stood Still purely on an execution level. The Iron Giant, to me, had just as profound a message, it just executed it more subtly. With the Day the Earth Stood Still we're going movie movie movie movie, then we have alien-Jesus (some more), and then he basically stands up explains the moral of the movie to us. I really admire that the alien describes their robot-run police state as a good thing, and freedom-loving Hollywood doesn't paint that as bad, but it is rather flawed.
I do love me some Gort. He, like most robots from space, whenever they see a female on the ground, they must pick them up and carry them somewhere. ;)
And the Matrix, well, that's a whole other rant unto itself. To me the problem is in the very base concept, and that whole "WE SHALL BE FREE FROM OPPRESSION DAMNIT!" mentality which I take issue with. The Matrix, like Blade Runner, gets a little caught up in its message that the very logic in its existence gets mega mega fudged. When I'm writing in the theater screeching, "But why?!" We have a problem.
I find I get in arguments with film geeks about The Matrix a lot.
I'm glad I didn't see the TF movie as a child, that shit's traumatic! Oh how I'd have cried to see Optimus go down (my God, what were they thinking?) But now, as an adult, I still haven't seen the whole thing but the death that upsets me the most is Starscream's; at least Optimus gets a drawn-out speech and a "hero's" death... arguably. Poor Starscream goes out like a little bitch! Poetic justice, I suppose. Still!
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And yeah 50s monsters/robots in general seem to have a thing for lugging human women around like some sort of inter-galactic fashion accessory.
Growing up with Transformers, seriously, I was already traumatised when they killed off the shuttle crew, I shouted when they just dragged Wheeljacks body out (he didn't even get a last stand scene) and Prime was the final straw. I was too upset to watch the rest of it at the time.
On Starscream... have to admit I've never been a Decepticon fan, they always seemed so incompetent in the cartoons that I spent a lot of time as a kid wondering how the hell they managed to take over Cybertron and hold it given their only strengths seemed to be flight and lots of guns. The comics do a slightly better job but childhood made me an Autobot fangirl and at the time I was still too busy cursing them over those deaths :)
And movie Prime? Protect humans, have giant death match surrounded by them, attack Simmons and co. then go nowhere near them when they catch Bumblebee; and running away in robot form?? *sigh* Bay logic makes brain hurt.
I'm with you on the Matrix, a lot of it just makes no sense whatsoever and things get ignored in favour of more explosions and 'kewl' visuals. It was fun at the time, but the more thought you put into it the less sense the whole thing makes; and that's without going near the sequels *shudder*
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