Fic: Minstrel Show

Feb 16, 2008 16:48

I’ve had pieces of this one on my computer for a while (in a much more irreverent form), but blame Dwimordene coming up with the idea of “protocols” regarding gender identity for this one finally coming to completion.

I was listening to a lot of Garth Brooks when I wrote this. Make of that what you will.

“To Canada old John was bound ( Read more... )

jazz, one-shot, epps, fic update, ratchet, race

Leave a comment

cazcatharsis February 16 2008, 22:58:34 UTC
there's nothin' like giant alien robots to incite self examination of morality, culture and assumptions, huh? :D

Reply

tricolora February 16 2008, 22:59:44 UTC
Heh, am I the weird one for that being my favorite use for them? I seem to be kind of alone on that! XD

Reply

cazcatharsis February 16 2008, 23:02:32 UTC
nope. I've just been resisting temptation. I'd like to write a native american TF just for fun to see how people would react/percieve em, see how many angry reactions i get, and rant a little. But I won't.

yet.

lol

Reply

sakon76 February 16 2008, 23:07:32 UTC
I'd always assumed Tigatron from Beast Wars was supposed to be a Native American TF....

Reply

cazcatharsis February 16 2008, 23:10:31 UTC
never seen him/her but I'll have to check em. LOL

Reply

almightyhat February 17 2008, 03:27:55 UTC
Really? I always assumed that was Silverbolt-- at least in appearance, to contrast with Quickstrike's 'cowboy.'

Tigatron I always just sort of chalked up to being a darn dirty hippy.

(Don't get me wrong, I love all three of them to bits, especially since they're the ones with the damaged datatrax so we get to see them react to things without the inherent biases their comrades were pre-programmed with.)

Reply

dinogrrl February 16 2008, 23:30:56 UTC
It's pretty fun :}. I'm trying to see how many different ethnicities I can fit in my OCs. Because yeah, the default 'white' robot gets boring. XD ( ... )

Reply

vejiraziel February 17 2008, 00:10:46 UTC
I have to admit I'm one of those people that has never been able to 'connect' with the fuss over Jazz's 'etnicity' in earth standards, but I partly blame that to the fact I didn't grow up with Scatman Crothers' Jazz. The Jazz I grew up with talked no different than any of the other Autobots or sounded no different from a neighbor next door.

That's why, for starters I can't see Jazz as 'black' or any color for that matter. Makes me wonder sometimes why there's so much fuss about Jazz being 'black' yet I haven't see anyone, dunno, comment why Track's is 'red'.

I dunno, I guess it has to do with the fact where I live I've never really paid attention to etnicities. The different shades of skin tone on my peers rarely make me think 'oh, this person must be of X descendence'. Hence why all the etnicity/skin tone debates and stuff like that rarely make sense for me.

Reply

dinogrrl February 17 2008, 00:36:23 UTC
Yeah, I never watched the G1 series until after the 2007 movie, so I didn't have Crothers' portrayal to compare Bay's Jazz with. The first time I saw the movie, and Jazz was introduced, like I said I couldn't understand what he was saying (he has a deep voice that's distorted, and I have trouble hearing such sounds in my left ear), so I was more caught up with "wtf lol giant robot dancing how is that physically possible?" XD ( ... )

Reply

vejiraziel February 17 2008, 00:49:31 UTC
I find cultural geography interesting, but I don't necesarily like to associate 'skin colors' with them if you catch my drift. XD

See, I watched G1 as a child, though I only managed to remember few things about it after so many years. But the Jazz I grew up with spoke spanish, had no accent of any kind so he never came across as anything but 'Jazz, the Porsche that likes music' to me.

And when I watched the movie I watched it in spanish too, and thus Jazz didn't sound like 'black' to me, again because the slang used for his dub is slang everyone uses here to one degree or another, so he never stood out other than him liking to dance while transforming. It seemed people usualy associated Jazz with Breakdancing even before the movie. XD

My approach to characters has always been so... 'I think the design first' I try to reflect their personality with the design and I've never really paid attention to any potential racial trait, and I do it unconciously. I just draw and the characters come whatever way the hand wants them. XD;

Reply

dinogrrl February 17 2008, 00:58:41 UTC
Maybe that's just my biology dork side coming out then :}. Genetics is interesting, especially relating to cultural geography XD.

That's a really interesting point you bring up with different languages' accents and slang. I'm sure it's almost like watching completely different characters sometimes. Even just between different versions of English, I'm sure there's a whole bunch of things that are just lost due to cultural differences. Do the British viewers have the same thoughts on Jazz's black-ness as the American audience?

That's kinda like me with my drawing. I draw first, figure out the backstory later XD.

Reply

vejiraziel February 17 2008, 01:06:49 UTC
I can't speak for the whole lot of mexican fans, to be honest, but I have to say in my personal view, when Jazz first spoke I just giggled because he sounded like ANY person in the theater watching the movie with me.

They tonned down the 'little bitches' part, mind you, but to hear him say 'qué onda?' made him feel so very... familiar. XD

Reply

tricolora February 17 2008, 00:59:24 UTC
Hate to pull out the film studies background (cause it is kind of my... brain) but it does matter, and really, there is no such thing as a movie that is "just entertainment"- film informs our mindsets as a culture, and our culture informs what is shown on the screen. That, to me, is why it's particularly telling that Jazz's "blackness" is played up at all to the point where it's really in the viewer's face. It's also kind of telling that this is what Jazz picked up about black culture; the very first thing he says to the kids is "What's crackin' lil' bitches"? DAH!

I do enjoy that the way they define culture as being left so ambiguous, as a) they probably would have handled it very clumsily and b) it lets us make up our own fun little explanations! In my 'verse, I go with the notion that their culture varies radically from ours in terms of what was and was not accepted; basically my Cybertron was a Brave New World-esque totalitarian state, but not one that was considered bad by anyone because they simply don't work the same way ( ... )

Reply

dinogrrl February 17 2008, 01:22:33 UTC
I'm not saying that movies and culture aren't related...it's more of a 'suspension of disbelief' thing, connected with the background of the person viewing the movie and for what purpose...I dunno, I had a whole long explanation typed up here but it got rambly and didn't make much sense so I'll spare you XD ( ... )

Reply

tricolora February 17 2008, 01:06:18 UTC
How would you plan on going about it? Would it be as an identification thing, like "I identify with these people, therefore I pay homage to them by adoptin X trait"?

Reply

cazcatharsis February 17 2008, 08:13:59 UTC
no, more like... you know how you wrote jazz 'approriating' the culture? I'd write one who'd appropriated the stereotypes and pit him against an elder or two... from different tribes on opposite sides of the continent. hell, 100 miles apart the tribe, culture and language, everything can difer.

and ima not write good right now. stagettes are not good for smart writey. i try this again tomorrow

Reply


Leave a comment

Up