My grandfather said of her that she'd spit in the eye of the devil if she felt like it.
My grandmother was a evil-minded spitfire of an Irishwoman... with perfect manners. I'm absolutely sure she'd have stabbed you with the correct fork. *g*
I was raised by wolves -- all brothers, all but one male cousin, almost all male friends as a kid -- and unlike a lot of women I really like them *but* I still got all sorts of good advice on the subject from Gran and believe me, that "nice man" thing? Is a brilliant piece of cautionary advice you should consider giving to your daughters when they're older.
I think all of the most intersting heroes fall under the "men capable of doing nice things" part of that equation. Gene, Sam and 10 would all fit under that definition for me.
My Gran wasn't advocating for only choosing a "nice man" but rather for watching your step. *g*
Exactly. They wouldn't be half as interesting if they were just "nice guys".
It's something I've wondered about before. Are you more virtuous if you're naturally a good person, or if you have to make the choice, every day, to do the right thing?
Sam Vimes is another great example. Also Granny Weatherwax.
Oh I'm always going to go for "choice" Isn't free will the name of the game, petal? *g*
It's just like we're impressed when an SAS soldier pulls off an unbelievable move... but the completely ordinary bloke on the plane who wrestles a mad bomber to the floor even though he's terrified? We'll carry him shoulder high through the streets.
We (okay, me at least) tend to want our daughters to date "nice guys", because we don't want them getting hurt.
The thing about a guy who is capable of doing great things, is that he's also capable of doing terrible things...which made the Doctor absolutely brilliant, but does not make for domestic tranquility.
There's something deep in here, about how we're not really comfortable with our heroes and we want them at a distance, not close by...
"Nice guys" can have their bad moments too... we're all human after all.
I think it's less about counselling to pick a "nice man" and more about teaching them to be self-reliant enough to *expect* to be treated in a decent and honourable way and to not stand still for anything else. That's the lesson I got from my mother and it's served me well. In other words she raised me to be a woman capable of doing nice things. Thankfully, most of us *cough* are not timelords and when we stumble we're still not capable of "terrible" things.
My heroes are all flawed and by that definition beautifully and gloriously human. There's a reason why I adore Batman and couldn't give a toss about Superman. *G*
Not as adorable as my favourite piccie:
Yes... adorable. *eg*
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I call it his "hypnotism" face. It really doesn't happen very often but I really dislike it when ff writers write Sam as a sweet boy...
It's like my grandmother always said, there's a difference between a nice man and a man capable of doing nice things. *g*
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Your grandmother must have had a very interesting life...
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My grandfather said of her that she'd spit in the eye of the devil if she felt like it.
My grandmother was a evil-minded spitfire of an Irishwoman... with perfect manners. I'm absolutely sure she'd have stabbed you with the correct fork. *g*
I was raised by wolves -- all brothers, all but one male cousin, almost all male friends as a kid -- and unlike a lot of women I really like them *but* I still got all sorts of good advice on the subject from Gran and believe me, that "nice man" thing? Is a brilliant piece of cautionary advice you should consider giving to your daughters when they're older.
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I think all of the most intersting heroes fall under the "men capable of doing nice things" part of that equation. Gene, Sam and 10 would all fit under that definition for me.
My Gran wasn't advocating for only choosing a "nice man" but rather for watching your step. *g*
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It's something I've wondered about before. Are you more virtuous if you're naturally a good person, or if you have to make the choice, every day, to do the right thing?
Sam Vimes is another great example. Also Granny Weatherwax.
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Oh I'm always going to go for "choice" Isn't free will the name of the game, petal? *g*
It's just like we're impressed when an SAS soldier pulls off an unbelievable move... but the completely ordinary bloke on the plane who wrestles a mad bomber to the floor even though he's terrified? We'll carry him shoulder high through the streets.
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The thing about a guy who is capable of doing great things, is that he's also capable of doing terrible things...which made the Doctor absolutely brilliant, but does not make for domestic tranquility.
There's something deep in here, about how we're not really comfortable with our heroes and we want them at a distance, not close by...
...and now I'm rambling.
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"Nice guys" can have their bad moments too... we're all human after all.
I think it's less about counselling to pick a "nice man" and more about teaching them to be self-reliant enough to *expect* to be treated in a decent and honourable way and to not stand still for anything else. That's the lesson I got from my mother and it's served me well. In other words she raised me to be a woman capable of doing nice things. Thankfully, most of us *cough* are not timelords and when we stumble we're still not capable of "terrible" things.
My heroes are all flawed and by that definition beautifully and gloriously human. There's a reason why I adore Batman and couldn't give a toss about Superman. *G*
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Facetiousness really doesn't translate well online now does it? *g*
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*g*
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Jack is intrigued and wants to see more.
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