Torchwood poll - please spread the word!

[torn_eledhwen]

This is sparked by a number of discussions I've seen on LJ and elsewhere in the past couple of days, about Torchwood "Children of Earth", what happens next, and how fandom reacts to it. I've noticed a few comments suggesting that shippers of a certain relationship in the show were what "kept it going" and also that we, the fans, have in some way

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[letmypidgeonsgo]

My 'other' for #7 would be, I dunno, it was just upsetting. Like in the way that makes your stomach hurt. Really good, but not so much rewatchable :-\

[torn_eledhwen]

Yeah, I get that. "Enjoyed" and "liked" are probably not the right words for CoE. "Moved" and "provoked" might be better.

[torn_eledhwen]

I'm not sure how they can carry on either, and it seemed pretty final to me at the end. But if they can think of a way I'd like more TW.

Regarding the relationships issue, as it's one of the things I keep seeing coming up online when people are criticising CoE: did you feel annoyed or angry that it was the Jack/Ianto relationship that ended up in ruins at the end and not the "conventional" Gwen/Rhys relationship (conventional insofar as they're a married het couple, though I'd say it's as far as conventional goes given the roles they play in that marriage!)? Personally I think it was a purely character decision to kill Ianto off in order to give Jack the momentum he needed to go ahead with his solution to the 456 - he had to be in that dark place. I think if Ianto's role had been taken by a female character they'd still have killed her off.

[honorh]

Actually, I don't think the 456 were the real villains. They were a plot device. The real villains were the people who were ready to sacrifice children to them. Gross as they were, I was never sickened by the 456. However, when the COBRA group started discussing which children were the most "expendable," that's when I got sick.

[torn_eledhwen]

I agree. The 456 were the way we were able to see the monsters we can become. They saw the children as crops - they didn't appreciate, I don't think, what a human child is to a parent. The COBRA group, on the other hand, knew exactly and still went ahead.

[amanuensis1]

My "other" responses:

I stuck with Torchwood because it's a Doctor Who spinoff and because of the omnisexual normativity the show displays.

I liked least about C of E the lack of visual resolution after the crisis. We should have seen riots and hangings and trials and shamesuicides.

[torn_eledhwen]

Oooh, good point about the lack of resolution. Not sure whether there'd be hangings though - not in Britain - but there'd definitely be trials and arguments in Parliament and a change of government and probably some suicides.

[amanuensis1]

Trials and imprisonment at the least. Yeah. That'd've satisfied me because I'd have seen it as the tip of the iceberg that they weren't showing.

[nicbemused]

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my other for number seven was that there were some strange thought-logic decisions made within the plot structure, though I liked the overall plot execution itself.

[torn_eledhwen]

Such as?

[nicbemused]

Jack knew they did biological warfare because that was what they had threatened the earth with in 1965. Seems silly that didn't get taken into account. Also Ianto's death was unnecessary. (I think he did a good job with it though).

[torn_eledhwen]

Good point about the biological warfare.

[coffee_n_cocoa]

When I said I disliked the morality and ethics, I was referring to the decisions made by the government. It was too stomach-churningly plausible.

[torn_eledhwen]

Absolutely too plausible. Horrific, really.