Rally to Restore Sanity (and Spelling)

Oct 31, 2010 09:54

I did something very embarrassing at the SF regional Rally to Restore Sanity yesterday ( Read more... )

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mmcirvin October 31 2010, 17:24:23 UTC
See, this is the problem with gun registration.

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spiritualmonkey October 31 2010, 18:10:37 UTC
Michael Moore pointed out on Rachel Maddow's show that the day after CBS got fined however many $M for showing a human woman's elaborately pierced boob on national TV, Bill O'Reily went on Fox and said he wasn't in favor of the death penalty, "Except for Michael Moore". They don't get fined a penny.

Glenn Beck fantasizes openly about choking Michael Moore to death on the air and poisoning Nancy Pelosi, and nothing.

Women's boobs on TV = Millions of dollars in fines.

Espousing violent rhetoric when discussing your political opponents = rock on.

I think Moore's right. We are a violent country, and our politics is about to get even more violent. Welcome to The Fourth Turning. Interesting book. Not woo-woo, but generational-cycle stuff. And according to the authors, we're on track fora new era that will culminate with a crisis comparable to the American Revolution, the Civil War, the Great Depression, and World War II. The survival of the nation will almost certainly be at stake.
I think there's a non-zero chance we could the the ( ... )

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mmcirvin October 31 2010, 18:28:02 UTC
I don't know, I thought that was going to happen around 1994 or '95.

Right now, I have a really hard time believing that our politics are about to become more violent than they were in the late 1960s, let alone those other times.

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tongodeon October 31 2010, 18:38:37 UTC
I'm recounting this from memory and I'd like to find the original, but I remember hearing or reading something that said sort of the opposite. Something about how racial integration in the late 1960s provided common ground for parties to work together (either in support or opposition), and that this means the last 50 years has been less violent and less partisan than American politics has been historically. We're basically regressing to the mean, which looks like an unprecedented increase to us since most people who remember how bad it was in the old days is gone now.

Again, just recounting this with scant support from a flawed memory. I wish I could find the interview where they cited facts and stuff.

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mmcirvin October 31 2010, 18:47:32 UTC
There's been a remarkable decrease in general violence in American society since sometime in the early 1990s, which is not fully explained to everyone's satisfaction. I once thought the explanation was "we brute-forced it by putting unconscionable numbers of people in prison", but that actually began long before the violence started dropping, so I don't think it's the whole story. To some extent it's a worldwide trend. I also thought the trend might reverse as a consequence of the economic crisis, but on the whole, it hasn't as far as I can tell.

There's been an uptick in political violence, because the wacky right's riled up. But it's starting from an overall low level, and the main thing moderating it is that the wacky right currently trends older than the general population. Mass political violence tends to come from young punks and terrorist soldiers. If you don't have a youth movement it's hard to bust a lot of heads. Young people are currently more liberal than the general population, and they're not inclined to street ( ... )

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rocza October 31 2010, 18:27:21 UTC
Aw, your sign has the hiccups! ;-)

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flwyd November 2 2010, 06:03:45 UTC
It seems like warm, dead hands are the best time to take someone's gun. If you stick around until their hands are cold, it'll be a pretty lame action movie.

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