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Tommy and The Doctor

Sep 05, 2006 10:42

No, not the doctors of St Elsewhere. A Doctor Named Who. Or, actually, not named Who. We don't know his name. His show is Doctor Who and it's a piece of science fiction legend.

Sitting here watching Doctor Who's "The Rise of the Cybermen", I remembered this post by

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torchwood, possible update, doctor who, space 1999

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westphallian September 5 2006, 09:27:24 UTC

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Re: other crossovers with Space: 1999. Wiki has this comment "# Footage of Moonbase Alpha was recycled for an episode of the American TV series Wonder Woman entitled "Time Bomb". In this episode, Alpha (and the moonscape) are intended to represent a nuclear war-ravaged Earth several centuries in the future." I don't think that counts though.

Looks like the only real crossover is a cartoon (which doesn't count) "An Eagle Transporter appears in the Futurama episode "Where No Fan Has Gone Before" as the ship that jettisons the last Star Trek videotapes onto a forbidden planet"

Why are there Doctor Who stories that aren't canon?

crossoverman September 5 2006, 12:43:10 UTC

Why are there Doctor Who stories that aren't canon?

"Dimensions in Time" was produced for the Children in Need charity drive - airing on BBC in two-parts. Who fandom continues to debate its canonicity - see the Wikipedia link above.

"The Curse of the Fatal Death" was similarly produced for a charity - this time for Comic Relief. This episode is clearly a parody of Who, whereas Dimensions was played (mostly) straight with actors from the original series.

Complicating matters is the fact that in 2005 another short episode - bridging Seasons One and Two of the "new series" - was produced for Children in Need. This time, though, it is considered canon by writers and viewers.

Also considered non-canon is the live action "episode" - "Attack of the Graske", which was aired on BBC digital. It stars current Doctor David Tennant in an interactive adventure.

I haven't even begun to explore the "TARDISODES" - on-line prequels produced for the 2006 season. But they are more easily lumped in with the regular episodes... here's hoping they don ( ... )

momsdinercodelj September 5 2006, 16:46:14 UTC

I'd argue that Dimensions in Time counts as far as the Grid goes even if it's not Who canon since it wasn't a dream sequence or any other scenario that would disqualify it. After all, there are shows already on the Grid that reference each other as television shows.

Thus Eastenders would belong as well.

Sadly, I don't think there are any direct crossovers between Who and the TV version of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. If Dirk Gently had ever gotten his own TV show, it'd be part of the Tommyverse, though.

crossoverman September 5 2006, 21:00:29 UTC

I'm wary to include "Dimensions in Time" because it isn't Who canon. Forty years of history makes the show intimidating enough, but including a special non-canon "episode" just confuses things. General wisdom is that it doesn't belong in Who canon, so it doesn't belong here.

Sadly, I don't think there are any direct crossovers between Who and the TV version of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Well, actually, I think it is linked... and completely forgot about this reference until now! The Tenth Doctor says in "The Christmas Invasion" (while wearing a pair of pyjamas during his advenutre): "Very Arthur Dent. Now there was a nice guy." Which seems much more than Ten throwing off another pop culture reference.

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lokicarbis September 5 2006, 23:36:38 UTC

The Tardis also appears in an episode of the British sketch comedy "Chelmsford 123"

westphallian September 6 2006, 00:31:38 UTC

Sketch comedy shows are excluded from the Tommy-verse. Sketch comedy shows are fall under the (US) category of fair-use parody. And I assume there is similiar UK & Canadian law (the other two countries Tommy-verse shows come from). Sketch comedy is parody - it is using a Tommy-verse show either as a reference to it or a parody of the canon/show. Sketch comedy shows *use* other shows they don't crossover with other shows.

Also excluded because sketch comedies don't follow any canonical logic of their own and, wow, would they be a massive heasdache & mess to include.

lokicarbis September 6 2006, 01:17:46 UTC

My mistake - Chelmsford 123 was NOT a sketch comedy. It was, in fact, a situation comedy set during the Roman occupation of Britain in 123 AD (hence the title). Details here.

Sorry about the confusion - I typed that because I was thinking of some of the sketch comedies those actors had also been in.