Modest Proposal: Poll Tax

Aug 17, 2010 20:51

My big high school graduation gift was a stock portfolio of one share each in five different local companies (I think Microsoft, Starbucks, Nordstrom, Boeing and...something else.) Anyway, for years and years, I would get the annual report four-color glossy thing, along with a proxy vote to mail back. Since I had one share in each company, I was ( Read more... )

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"lolwut" einstein9073 August 25 2010, 19:00:26 UTC
Do you seriously believe that the ultra-rich don't have enough power already? You believe this so firmly that you want to explicitly turn our democracy-based republic into a cashed-based oligarchy?

Dude. The reason the economy is in the toilet right now isn't due to poor people, it's due to abuses by the rich idiots you're trying to empower.

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tleberle August 25 2010, 23:29:22 UTC
And I shall put a great deal of thought into a reply to someone who uses the subhead "lolwut."

G'day.

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einstein9073 August 26 2010, 03:41:46 UTC
Darn, I should have used the word "plutarchy" instead of "cash-based oligarchy". Or "cashed-" even.

That was an excellent ad hominem attack on my post, but you don't get to decide to dismiss an argument because you don't like it's title.

Well, this is your journal. I suppose you can. But you'd be wrong.

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tleberle August 26 2010, 03:48:18 UTC
Why is it wrong to say "Hey, I'm not going to engage with people who don't bother to actually read the content of the post and who read what they want to out of it"?

Did you not notice the part where I say that I would limit the number of votes that the top earners could have precisely to keep the rich from having too much power? Guess not.

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This title is a Red Herring. einstein9073 August 26 2010, 17:39:09 UTC
It's wrong to "dismiss an argument because of its title" because that avoids the point I made. It's wrong for the same reason that any argumentum ad hominem is wrong: it's logically unsound.

I did not reference your logarithmic idea for two reasons: it was unfinished and therefore not suitable for criticism; it is a difference in degree, not in kind. The idea of granting additional votes to the rich is repugnant, in addition to being unconstitutional, no matter how many votes you plan on granting them.

The idea of requiring federal/imperial service (as illustrated in Heinlein's book) is an entirely different issue, and one I might support. However, that policy also has issues - for instance, how can a handicapped person acquire their rights, if they can't serve "on the line"?

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Re: This title is a Red Herring. tleberle August 26 2010, 18:22:02 UTC
"Not suitable for criticism"? This isn't a masters thesis. It is a blog post. I'm writing about ideas and experiences. I don't add footnotes and citations because most people are able to use Google to find things.

I can understand why you have misgivings and would like to explore your thoughts more, but it seems like you want to wallow in the Philosophy 120 (Introduction to Logic) side of things. If you start your salvo with "lolwut," you don't get to be surprised when I don't take your points seriously. And when you continue with "This title is a red herring," I roll my eyes and move on to other stuff, because you haven't.

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Re: This title is another Red Herring. einstein9073 August 26 2010, 22:07:31 UTC
Just like one has to have a good grounding in algebra - factoring, isolating variables, etc - before moving on to calculus, one must master the basics of logic before trying to construct a more complicated argument.

One of the fundamental premises of your Modest Proposal is that rich people should have more political power than poor people. Premises, heck, that's the stated goal: "We're now at a point where half of the country isn't paying any federal income tax at all, but they're allowed to vote ... This does not make a lick of sense. Those decisions should be made by the people who have put some skin in the game."

When I point out that this is a bad thing, you retort with a criticism of ancillary matters, such as the article title - a example of an argumentum ad hominem - rather than addressing my points. If you want to move past the Intro to Logic topics, stop making the mistakes we were taught to avoid in Philosophy 120 ( ... )

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Re: This title is another Red Herring. tleberle August 26 2010, 23:05:53 UTC
Wake me when you're through with the lesson...

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Re: This title is another Red Herring. einstein9073 August 27 2010, 00:09:56 UTC
I'll just take that as a concession of all points, then.

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Re: This title is another Red Herring. tleberle August 27 2010, 00:43:41 UTC
Zzzz...

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