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Not Taking It Seriously?

May 31, 2006 00:05

Hi, I don't usually post stuff so I thought I'd share some thoughts.
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Okay, basically: do you think, in the newest series, they don't take the whole time-travelling thing as seriously?
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_atmospheric May 30 2006, 23:48:06 UTC

I defintely think she loves him, and he loves her. There's a huge dependance on each other- Rose can't even work the TARDIS, and the Doctor has got to be lonely without her, being the last of his species and all. And maybe it's not a physical bond, or maybe it will be, but there's definitely something. :D

nostalgia_lj May 31 2006, 01:04:31 UTC

and the Doctor has got to be lonely without her, being the last of his species and all

Ooh! Is anyone else confused about the thing this year that he's lonely with Rose there? Where's that going?

webeh May 31 2006, 03:49:41 UTC

I figure nowhere, considering the amount of writing consistency they're having this season.

nostalgia_lj May 31 2006, 03:55:01 UTC

Truth. If anything I'm thinking maybe something that's there for next year. Or maybe just another of this years attempts to give the Doctor an emotional life separate from Rose? It's all over the place though, so it confuses me.

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mrv3000 May 30 2006, 23:52:42 UTC

Okay, basically: do you think, in the newest series, they don't take the whole time-travelling thing as seriously?

I think that the Doctor and Rose are having way more fun this series. Not exactly the same, but close enough. And as a result we've seen "brighter" episodes (in general) so far. Also, it's partially reflective of Nine and Ten's personalities - He Who Broods vs. The Energizer Bunny.

but do you think they'll ever love each other?

By "love" do you mean...get married? Kiss? Say "I love you?" Because I think they already love each other. That ship sailed last series.

starfishmedley May 30 2006, 23:53:44 UTC

As far as I know, the not taking it seriously and having too much fun is intentional on the writers' parts -- they're setting them up for a big fall. At least, that's the implication; it's not set in stone. But that would explain their sudden light attitudes.

As for loving each other ... well, yes, it is possible, because they do (and I'm not just saying that out of wishful thinking: numerous people on the production team, including RTD, have repeatedly stated that Rose and the Doctor are in love). But if you were asking whether it's possible for them to be together in an actual relationship, and I think you were: nnnnnot exactly. Is it within the realm of possibility, character-wise? Yes. But it will never happen properly on the show, because their dynamic is one of those Mulder/Scully, "there's something between us but we're not talking or doing anything about it because we're emotionally warped morons and we like it that way" dynamics. Of course, Mulder and Scully did kiss, shag, and have a baby together (or did they? no, they ( ... )

mrv3000 May 30 2006, 23:58:33 UTC

As far as I know, the not taking it seriously and having too much fun is intentional on the writers' parts -- they're setting them up for a big fall.

I've seen this notion before, but not sure where it's coming from. Have there been spoilers about some kind of smackdown? Or is it just the general notion that they shouldn't be having this much fun?

starfishmedley May 31 2006, 00:20:21 UTC

I don't read spoilers, so I don't know whether there has been concrete information about it. I'm just going on my own doom radar and things RTD has said on Confidential.

mrv3000 May 31 2006, 00:23:13 UTC

Ah, the doom radar. :D

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saimun May 31 2006, 00:13:28 UTC

As an old Who fan I can say that the idea of the Doctor having a relationship with any companion is a massive break. In fact the asexuality of the Doctor became such a feature that some novels put forward the idea that Time Lords can not reproduce sexually. Also most old companions have been forgettable and replaceable. Even when you look at the fan favourites (who are not forgettable) like Sarah-Jane Smith, they are replaceable - they rarely play a pivotal role in the story. They are favourites due to their personalities and characters (I liked Leela and Romana myself) but if you replaced them with another companion you wouldn't need to rewrite the story that much. No companion has ever had such strong billing and their backgrounds have never been explored in such detail. "I don't do domestic" is as much a statement about old Who as it is about Doctor 9. Basically the new Doctor Who is already a massive break from the old Who ( ... )

mrv3000 May 31 2006, 00:22:45 UTC

But not an exploration of the "fun" side of travel.

And you get that in TCI with this incarnation. "Trouble's just the bit in between!" "It's all out there!" "Haven't seen it yet!" etc. etc. This incarnation is ready for an adventure.

RTD rejected the idea he is setting them up for a fall due to pride or hubris.

Makes sense. *points to comment on what "hubris" is*

The impression I get from this is more "Things are going too well. Something crap is going to happen" with the reason for the crap being more the fact that the universe is just like that rather than connected specifically to pride or hubris.

Now that I can buy. Something will go down because every show needs some drama. It's the "pride before the fall" that I've seen here before that has been making me twitchy.

nostalgia_lj May 31 2006, 01:02:41 UTC

They are favourites due to their personalities and characters (I liked Leela and Romana myself) but if you replaced them with another companion you wouldn't need to rewrite the story that much. No companion has ever had such strong billing and their backgrounds have never been explored in such detail.

Do you feel like Rose is a lot more replacable this year (probably deliberately, if so)?

Rose > Earth basically.

*single emo tear* I think that was the point at which I had to go "Nah. I'm never going to be able to be on-board with this one. SAD CRIES."

Personally I don't think though that the "fun" thing is really setting them up for a fall in the sense of pride/hubris. RTD rejected the idea he is setting them up for a fall due to pride or hubris.

*nod* Rusty really does like writing the fun side of the thing. I can't see him punishing them for it.

nostalgia_lj May 31 2006, 00:56:22 UTC

It's cute, but it's as if the aliens and stuff aren't as scary any more. True, Rose would get used to it, but I dunno. Has anyone else noticed this? Do you think it was bound to happen?

Rose develops very quickly as a character. There's a sense in which I'd say that between Dalek and Bad Wolf we're marking time for her TARDIS!Rose moment. The time-travel-as-tourism thing was there last year from the word go, but maybe this year it's more noticable because Ten'n'Rose are more cutesy? The problem for me is that the Doctor doesn't take any of it seriously anymore, at least not when Rose is there. It's like we have a bi-polar character shaped by the needs of someone else's love story (Ten/Rose is totally written as a continuation of Nine/Rose rather than as anything new ( ... )