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Marley Joy
It's cute when people worship your every word about other people and commend you for being so smart and clever and observational, and then trash talk and call you ignorant when the words are about them. Ah, the responsibility of being honest. ;)
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Luna Goss Welcome to my world
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Avery Gai you're an idiot marley...
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Marley Joy no u
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Marley Joy Blind patriotism and all that.
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Marley Joy Also HAHAHHAHAHA
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Avery Gai point proven
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Marley Joy You'd like to think so, I'm sure.
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Avery Gai you're also a sarcastic bitch..................................
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Marley Joy Well yes, that much is true.
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Marley Joy Seriously though, hating people because your friends hate them is just so middle school. Try to move past it.
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Avery Gai no, I just think you're disgusting stupid and 2faced...............................................................................................
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Marley Joy You're entitled to your opinions, naturally. Thinking I'm disgusting, that's fair (but whatever). Thinking I'm stupid, that's wrong (but whatever). Thinking I'm two-faced though, that's just silly! Where does that one even come from?
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Avery Gai scuse me, i meant fake
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Marley Joy Oh. Well, that's also pretty silly. Give me an example of my "fakeness".
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Avery Gai
you say votes dont really matter because you want to hold opinions that go against the norm. you want people to think youre edgy and unique, and you try to prove it by copying other people. You also want people to think you're smart, so you...r proof is that you can poorly reiterate other people's ideas that you think sound clever. You also prove it by using stupid "big words" like "cretin" or "troglodyte."
my point is that you try to be something you're not, and when your improper self-image is challenged, you flip the fuck out and, rather than proving yourself (because you can't,) you slander whoever did it to draw away from yourself. It's a logical phallacy called the 'scarecrow technique.' look it up.See More
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Marley Joy
"you say votes dont really matter because you want to hold opinions that go against the norm."
No, I say that votes don't matter because they don't. I am a staunch anti-statist, a moral nihilist, and find supporting a corrupt institution to... be a completely ignorant attempt at reigning in a small amount of freedom that is stolen from innocent people on a regular basis. If you need to tell yourself that my opinions are fake because I think they sound cool, you are delusional and hilariously hypocritical, considering what large portion of your life has been dedicated to thinly-veiled "punk" culture and obnoxious, trite fashion statements. Nice try, though.
"you want people to think youre edgy and unique, and you try to prove it by copying other people."
I genuinely don't give a shit what other people think about me. I live my life doing things that make me happy. Obviously if I wanted everyone to think I was super cool and awesome, I wouldn't argue with people and tell them they are wrong so often. It would be far more effective to be falsely agreeable. False logic is false. Nice try, though. Also, seriously, point out just ONE time or ONE situation in which I have ever copied someone with my own style/beliefs/self-presentation. I promise you'll be hard-pressed.
"You also want people to think you're smart so your proof is that you can poorly reiterate other people's ideas that you think sound clever"
I'm so glad I have you here to tell me what I want. What would I do without you to make all of my decisions for me? Gosh! Also, seriously, point out just ONE time or ONE situation in which I have ever copied someone with my own style/beliefs/self-presentation. I promise you'll be hard-pressed.
"You also prove it by using stupid "big words" like "cretin" or "troglodyte.""
Haha. I love it when poorly-educated people try to criticize their intellectual superiors for using "big words", as if there is something shameful about it. I would also like to point out that I cannot even remember the last time I used the word "cretin", but it is seriously sad that you consider a six-letter, two-syllable word to be "big".
"my point is that you try to be something you're not"
Really? What is it that I try to be that I am not actually?
"and when your improper self-image is challenged, you flip the fuck out and, rather than proving yourself (because you can't,) you slander whoever did it to draw away from yourself."
I don't know what an "improper self-image" is, and I highly doubt that you do either. I rarely "flip the fuck out", as I am not a particularly aggressive person until someone feels the need to personally insult me or those I care about. I argue a lot, yes! I enjoy challenging the opinions of others and having mine challenged as well... until, of course, the discussion becomes pointless/childish/slanderous, in which case I am known to treat it like what it is: pointless, childish slander. I'm sorry you take issue with this, but it's not my problem.
"It's a logical phallacy called the 'scarecrow technique.' look it up."
I am interested in this so-called "scarecrow technique". Curiously, I looked it up and could find nothing illustrating its history as a psychological defense mechanism or complex. If you could point me to any interesting texts on the subject, I'd like to read them.
See, the problem with all of this is that you're mostly talking out of your ass. I understand and respect your desire to defend your friends, but boldly insulting someone you know very little about with silly presumptions is not a valid way to prove me wrong. I admit that my partaking in a childish, slanderous argument with a couple of stupid people was also childish as well as pointless. But trying to start a fight with me by making up a bunch of stupid baseless insults is not going to get you very far where defending someone else's honor is concerned. Thanks for playing.See More
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Marley Joy Oh, I see now that what you were referring to is actually called "The Straw Man Fallacy", not "The Scarecrow Technique". The Straw Man Fallacy is actually when a person misrepresents or exaggerates their opponent's position/opinion without ever refuting it. If you can point out where I have ever done such a thing, I will be impressed. Please try.
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Avery Gai
Wow that was really long for such a short comment... you just flipped the fuck out...................................
but I already gave you examples. don't ask again, it's obnoxious. But yes, I meant "straw man." unfortunately, I confuse f...allacies causing some confusion, but it is one I have seen you use recently. Refer to your conversation with Graham: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html The fallacy I meant was "Ad Hominem/Ad Hominem Tu
Quoque": http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html / http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.htmlSee More
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Marley Joy
"Wow that was really long for such a short comment... you just flipped the fuck out..................................."
Since when does writing a lot mean the same thing as "flipping the fuck out"? Are you mentally retarded?
"but I already ...gave you examples. don't ask again, it's obnoxious."
So basically what I'm getting from this is that everything you just said is completely worthless because, rather than providing any legitimate examples of the behavior you claim I demonstrate, you just spewed a bunch of words that you thought sounded good and made me sound bad. However, since you cannot actually provide examples of any of the things you claim, you clearly do not achieve either of those desired effects. You don't sound good, and I don't look bad. Thanks for proving my point. :)
"I confuse fallacies causing some confusion, but it is one I have seen you use recently. Refer to your conversation with Graham:"
I was PART of that conversation, so I do not need to review it to know what "techniques" I did and didn't use. If you can point out one example of my using the "Straw Man Fallacy", I will be impressed. Please try.
I find it fascinating that you chose to point out the Ad Hominem argument, since the only reason I ever used that argument was in an effort to MOCK someone who used it on ME initially. But again, nice try.See More
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Avery Gai wow marley... you're so badass................................... but you copy other people all the time. The people you think are cool, because you want to be like them. People like Nina and Graham. You know it's true. Also, im proper self-image means INFLATED EGO. Anything else you take offense to?
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Marley Joy
"but you copy other people all the time."
Again, please provide ONE example.
"People like Nina and Graham."
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Okay, you named two of my best friends. That is very good. Now provide an example of how I have ever copied either of them or anyone else in any way. Please, try.
"Also, im proper self-image means INFLATED EGO."
Oh, so something else you're wrong about.
"Anything else you take offense to?"
The only thing I take offense to is how you are still completely incapable of providing any examples of the behavior you claim I demonstrate, yet still seem to believe that your arguments are so much more solid than mine. After all, mine are just copied from elsewhere, right? (But I bet you couldn't prove it.)See More
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Marley Joy I have asked you seven or eight times now to provide examples of this behavior, but you are still incapable of providing any.
THAT IS MILDLY CURIOUS
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Marley Joy But call me a stupid fake again, maybe that will validate your point.
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Avery Gai
You reiterate their opinions all the time. Another person is the guy in the video (aka "copied from elsewhere") who thinks votes don't mean anything. You also claim to be a moral nihilist, while you show outrage when anyone does something t...hat goes against your morals. Example? when you snitched on Stasia to Al because you thought it was "fucked up for her to do that." You were right to do it, but that is DIRECLY antithetical to moral nihilism. That's all I need to say, you keep asking me to be more and more specific. It's like a toddler that keeps asking "why?"See More
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Marley Joy
"You reiterate their opinions all the time."
Wait, you are saying that I reiterate the opinions of Nina and Graham? You don't think it's possible that me and two of my very best friends in the world could possibly... share opinions? Are you... trying to assert that people cannot share opinions without one person having "copied" another? You don't need to answer that question about being mentally retarded anymore.
"Another person is the guy in the video (aka "copied from elsewhere") who thinks votes don't mean anything."
So, again... someone else already expressed many of my shared opinions in a 10 minute long youtube video, which I cited as expressing many of my beliefs and provided for ease of access... and because of that, it means my opinions are "copied"? I think you're confusing genuineness with originality. Hint: My opinions are genuine. Are they original? Of course not, neither are any of yours. That doesn't make me "fake". Nothing is original.
"You also claim to be a moral nihilist, while you show outrage when anyone does something t...hat goes against your morals."
Do you know what moral nihilism means? It doesn't sound like it. Let me help. Moral nihilism is the belief that there are no predetermined sets of morals by which all human beings must live their lives, and that each human being must create their own sense of moral values. Moral nihilism does not mean "having no morals" or "believing that morals don't exist". Be less dumb.
"Example? when you snitched on Stasia to Al because you thought it was "fucked up for her to do that.""
That is an example of when I copied someone? Man, you are bad at this.
"You were right to do it"
I disagree.
"but that is DIRECLY antithetical to moral nihilism."
lol no
"That's all I need to say, you keep asking me to be more and more specific."
I keep asking you to be more specific because you never actually get any more specific in your answers. You keep saying "YOU ARE SUCH A COPIER, YOUR OPINIONS AND STUFF ARE ALL STOLEN FROM OTHER PEOPLE", but once again you are unable to provide EVEN ONE example of this. You fail!
"It's like a toddler that keeps asking "why?""
No, it's like a parent giving their child an empty cup and saying "Drink your milk", and the child saying, "But mommy, there is nothing in this cup", and the parent saying "GOD DAMNIT DRINK YOUR MILK WHY WON'T YOU DRINK YOUR MILK MILK IS GOOD FOR YOU DRINK YOUR MILK!"See More
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Marley Joy Actually, my mistake. I described meta-ethical relativism instead of moral nihilism. Regardless, I believe in both, and you are still wrong in thinking that a moral nihilist cannot have opinions about right v. wrong.
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Avery Gai
wow you ignore points that are intrinsic to what I'm saying. I think it's because you spend so much time dissecting my sentences, Everything I've said is plain to see by anyone who's a decent judge of character. Maybe you lack the insight a...nd self-awareness necessary to see it. I'm annoyed with your incessant ignorance, though, so I'm out.
P.S. I TOLD you about moral nihilism in freshman year. So be quiet. You supposedly do not believe morals are a priori, therefor rendering the basis for "right and wrong" to be false. In an existential sense, this is accurate, as different cultures have different sets of morals. On the other hand, a moral nihilist just doesn't believe in right and wrong. It's similar to apathy. As in you wouldn't care. Because you can't get offended without morals AKA the concept of right and wrong.See More
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Marley Joy
"wow you ignore points that are intrinsic to what I'm saying."
What points did I ignore? And speaking of ignoring, you STILL haven't provided EVEN ONE example of the behavior you claim I demonstrate. Why is that?
"I think it's because you ...spend so much time dissecting my sentences"
Well listen, SOMEONE in this discussion needs to be thorough and accurate, and it's obviously not going to be you.
"Everything I've said is plain to see by anyone who's a decent judge of character."
Yes, your words are easy to understand. But also completely incorrect, so... kind of pointless.
"Maybe you lack the insight a...nd self-awareness necessary to see it."
See what? You haven't said anything I don't understand. You simply haven't been able to back up your arguments at ALL, and I've asked you to do so OVER AND OVER to no avail. That's your problem, not mine.
"I'm annoyed with your incessant ignorance, though, so I'm out."
You mean, you've realized that you lost the argument and can't defend one of the retarded things you've said about me, so you're "out". That's fine. Bye.
"P.S. I TOLD you about moral nihilism in freshman year. So be quiet."
I don't remember you ever telling me about moral nihilism, and we didn't even really hang out in freshman year. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you did tell me about it. What's your point?
"You supposedly do not believe morals are a priori"
Says who? You are making things up. Moral nihilism (the belief that nothing is INHERENTLY moral or immoral) does not suggest the ABSENCE of MORALS. You are dumb. Stop being dumb.
"On the other hand, a moral nihilist just doesn't believe in right and wrong. It's similar to apathy."
You are 100% incorrect. Moral nihilism does not suggest the ABSENCE of MORALS, only the absence of INHERENT, SPECIFIC MORALS in/about SPECIFIC INSTANCES/CONCEPTS.See More
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Marley Joy Oh also stop confusing morals and preferences, they're not the same thing.
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Tasha Korsunsky Hey Marls, might be time to unfriend this punkass bitch. Bitchass punk? Take your pick. You already won this battle of the wits in my book, even if we don't see eye to eye. =)
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Avery Gai Tasha I thought you were a fake idiot even before I thought marley was...................................................................
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Marley Joy
"Hey Marls, might be time to unfriend this punkass bitch."
I don't even care enough.
"Tasha I thought you were a fake idiot"
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It is really ridiculous for you to be calling anyone a fake idiot, Mr. blue hair DA mohawk 00 labret gauge demonia boots dirt-stained "omfg look at how punk and socially carefree I am" retard.
"even before I thought marley was"
It's pretty funny how you go back and forth between "Marley is a fake idiot jerk dummy" and "omg, don't you remember when we used to be like BFFs like we used to hang out all the time in middle school call me any tiiimmeee omggg" as it suits your mood.See More
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Avery Gai
Sometimes I try to think there's something more to you, because I used to see it. Time and again, you show me your light has extinguished. And yeah I used to dress funny. Sorry for having some fun with my clothes, trying to cover my BDD wit...h piercings and being too depressed and lonely to even shower. But thanks for pulling up that part of my life. I remember you were too busy snuggling up to the upperclassmen to even realize your supposed friend was in dire need of a friend back then. Instead, you chilled with the people who once held me down and spat in my face. That was when I first realized you were disgusting. See More
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Marley Joy
"Sometimes I try to think there's something more to you, because I used to see it. Time and again, you show me your light has extinguished."
You are super dramatic and ridiculous.
"And yeah I used to dress funny. Sorry for having some fun wi...th my clothes, trying to cover my BDD with piercings and being too depressed and lonely to even shower. But thanks for pulling up that part of my life."
I hope you'll take this opportunity to realize how little we actually know about each other. I don't know your history or the reason for the things you do/did, and nor do you know mine. However, I certainly have never claimed to know those things about you, while you seem to feel like you have the right to judge my actions as being "copied" or "fake" when you really don't know that much about me or the reasons for the things I do. Trying to comment on my status and pick a fight with me in an effort to defend your friend's honor was - like I said - understandable and kind of admirable, even. Still, it was not mature, and you are definitely being a hypocrite by criticizing me for all of the same things you are doing in this conversation. If you don't want me to "bring up that part of [your] life" (lol), don't come around acting like you know fuck-all about me, because you know as much about me as I know about you, if not even less. I find it utterly hilarious that you appear to be offended by comments regarding your style of dress and outlets of self-expression, because that's exactly how you're judging me and Tasha. You may be aware of bits of information about me that you think are sufficient basis for insults, but the truth is, you're superficial as fuck... and deluded if you believe otherwise. You don't know me, you don't know Tasha, and you're as bad as everyone you hate. Hope this helps.
"I remember you were too busy snuggling up to the upperclassmen to even realize your supposed friend was in dire need of a friend back then. Instead, you chilled with the people who once held me down and spat in my face. That was when I first realized you were disgusting."
What upperclassmen was I "busy snuggling up to"? I had almost no friends in freshmen year. I think you're making things up out of convenience. Again. That's kind of sad! I'm not sure which friend you're referring to who "was in dire need of a friend back then". Who is that?
I think it's legitimately really sad - not pathetic, but actually saddening - that you seem to have blurred the lines between me and Nina as people. I guess you must still be harboring feelings of resentment toward her if you're bringing up all of that bullshit, but you need to be reminded that 1) I was not there when people held you down and spit on you, 2) I have never condoned, supported, or even really acknowledged people holding you down and spitting on you... since I wasn't there and it didn't involve me at all, and 3) Wasn't it Sam or some other older kid who held you down? Yeah, I wasn't friends with any of those people. That was Nina. I am not Nina. Get over Nina, already. Holy shit.See More
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Marley Joy You don't think I'm disgusting. You think Nina is disgusting! It's like she and I are the same person in your mind.
...dat's fucked up
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Avery Gai
No, you just came to that conclusion, and that was a really low blow. Clealry, I'm done with Nina. The principle is what matters, and I DID tell you about it. but you didn't care. And Yes, I remember your stories of grahams AWESOME uppercla...ssman parties you got to go to. How could I forget it? because *I* was your friend who needed a friend. I was lonely, and needed to get myself out there, and everyone figured I was just too much of a freak. it was really great marley. I actually asked you to invite me to those parties. You seem to forget how much smalltalk we used to share. BTW please stop writing novellas for responses, it's really tiring to read. You read way too far into things and make weird points by dissecting my sentences.
But of course Im superficial. One of the reasons I don't like you is that you treat your body like a garbage can... dats fucked upSee More
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Marley Joy
"No, you just came to that conclusion, and that was a really low blow."
That seems to be the obvious conclusion to come to, considering you associate me with events that I not only didn't support, but wasn't even there to witness.
"The prin...ciple is what matters, and I DID tell you about it. but you didn't care."
What principle? I'm sorry people did cruel things to you, but I WASN'T EVEN THERE. What could I have done?! I didn't remember you even telling me about it, but now that you mention it I do: I remember you telling me, angrily, about something dickish that people did to you after I had already heard the other side of the story from my best friend. I specifically remember that I didn't sense any sort of sadness from you. I would have been much more concerned if I had, but you have always projected an intensely independent and resilient spirit and I felt that you'd rather I left you alone. Not to mention the fact that I had a crush on you in eighth grade, and you completely ignored me because you were practically in love with Nina at the time. When I tried to get your attention, I was rejected. I never really considered us friends, and I'm not saying that to hurt you or anything. You never seemed to be interested in me except for the idle chit-chat we'd have in the hallway, which is why we never really got to know each other. You didn't seem to want to know me, so I didn't press it.
Also: Nina told me that when that whole pin-and-spit incident happened, you were being annoying and wouldn't stop, so she asked you to stop, and you continued, which lead to Sam sitting on you because he found it annoying as well. She said that YOU then spit on HER, which is FAR more believable than her spitting on you (since I have never even seen the girl spit in my entire life). Who was I meant to believe, my best friend of seven years or, a guy I barely knew? I STILL barely know you.
"And Yes, I remember your stories of grahams AWESOME upperclassman parties you got to go to. How could I forget it?"
First of all, Graham is a year older than me... I hardly considered him an "upperclassman" at the time, since he was still a SOPHOMORE. Second, I've been friends with Graham since I was twelve. If being friends with someone a year older than me constitutes my "snuggling up to upperclassmen", fine. But that's pretty stupid and wrong. Also, I genuinely cannot remember a time when you asked me to bring you to one of Graham's parties. I specifically remember viewing you as someone who didn't really want to be my friend, which is why we never hung out. (Remember when I was at your house a few months ago and couldn't remember that you'd ever been to my old house? Yeah, that's not because I didn't like you, it's because I never thought of you as someone who WANTED to be around me.)
"How could I forget it? because *I* was your friend who needed a friend. I was lonely, and needed to get myself out there, and everyone figured I was just too much of a freak. it was really great marley."
I am really disappointed in myself for not seeing you as being hurt and lonely. If I had known that's how you felt, we would have been hanging out a lot more. I was lonely too. I had almost no friends at the time and a very skewed sense of self. But again, you never treated me like you wanted to be my friend. You always projected that confident badass rebel persona that I felt I couldn't touch. I don't really feel entirely responsible for that though, since you definitely made yourself emotionally unavailable in a lot of ways. But again, I apologize I didn't see that you were hurting, and I can genuinely say that if I had known you were, I would have acted a lot differently around you.
"BTW please stop writing novellas for responses, it's really tiring to read."
I'm not forcing you to read or respond to me. If it's boring, stop.
"But of course Im superficial. One of the reasons I don't like you is that you treat your body like a garbage can... dats fucked up"
This is a pretty interesting thing for you to point out considering you used to be quite a fatass yourself. Also, I just joined the marathon team, do an intense military-style workout twice a week, and know more about fitness and nutrition than you will ever hope to because I realize the error in my ways as an overweight person, but you just go ahead and keep on trash-talkin'. It really becomes you. Fatty. :)See More
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Marley Joy
While we're on the topic of our friendship... the reason I messaged you the other week asking to hang out some time is because I always thought we could relate given the change to spend some time actually getting to know each other. I never... really considered us to be more than the most casual of friends, but not for a lack of want on my part. I think we've both matured a lot since we used to (kind of) hang out back in the day. I thought I might have the chance to actually feel that out with you, but it doesn't seem like that's going to happen now.
Just don't say I didn't try or that I never wanted us to be better friends, because that's such a load of crap.See More
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Luna Goss Uh marley? Who the fuck was that and where the hell did get that bullshit from? Her ass? None of that shizuoka made any sense! Btw love you to pieces! Miss you!!!
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Marley Joy lol
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Avery Gai
Marley being fat and treating your body badly are different, they are cause and effect. These days I strongly believe in eating the right food and regularly excercizing, not to be "ripped" but to be healthy. It bothers me when I see people ...treat their body badly.
I never meant any malice, and yeas, I admit, there was a time I was OBSESSED with nina. further, I never was "annoying" to her. I tried talking to her about the whole issue, and she was apathetic, so I guess that could be considered annoying. She then went home and lied to her mom about the situation, I wouldn't be surprised if she warped it for you too. But I did omit that I spat on her too. Marley, for a while I actually did consider you one of my closest friends. That you didn't even think of me as a friend should convey how different our social standings were.
As for my "badass persona," anger's a really easy way to cover up pain. Remember how neurotic I was years ago? I am, to an extent, self-sufficient but it's because I learned long ago that I can't really count on many other people. Ive been pushed away a lot, and so I don't really even reach out to people. It's been that way since middle school. I want you to understand marley that my problems with you are that Im really pissed at how you turned out. I'll apologize for the whole dramatic extinguishing lights thing, but it's a rather poetic way of explaining how I feel. I used to think you were the shit, but I can see how cold you got. It makes me sad and frustrated.
Also, your friends keep commenting. It's really annoying. I don't care about their loyalty-comments like when you figured I was only pissed about you for the situation with graham. I'd appreciate it if we could delate this thread and continue our conversation in private.See More
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Marley Joy
"Marley being fat and treating your body badly are different, they are cause and effect."
So... how exactly do you think I treat my body badly, then? Since I'm taking care of the fat thing and all.
"These days I strongly believe in eating t...he right food and regularly excercizing, not to be "ripped" but to be healthy."
Hey, me too.
"further, I never was "annoying" to her. I tried talking to her about the whole issue, and she was apathetic, so I guess that could be considered annoying."
I think she meant that whatever was happening at the time of the pin-and-spit incident involved you being annoying. She said something about loud singing. Obviously it was annoying other people too, because someone fucking sat on you! Not that that makes it okay in any way. Just saying.
"That you didn't even think of me as a friend should convey how different our social standings were. As for my "badass persona," anger's a really easy way to cover up pain. Remember how neurotic I was years ago? I am, to an extent, self-sufficient but it's because I learned long ago that I can't really count on many other people. Ive been pushed away a lot, and so I don't really even reach out to people."
I am more or less the same way. And I would NEVER turn someone away if they came to me for help, even if it was someone I hated. So I certainly wouldn't have done that to YOU if I'd known you were trying to reach out for help, since I always liked you on SOME level.
"I want you to understand marley that my problems with you are that Im really pissed at how you turned out. I'll apologize for the whole dramatic extinguishing lights thing, but it's a rather poetic way of explaining how I feel. I used to think you were the shit, but I can see how cold you got. It makes me sad and frustrated."
And MY problems with YOU are that you don't really KNOW how I turned out. You don't even really know how I was to begin with. I definitely got cold, but only because I've become a lot more logical and realistic. I was a naive, optimistic, lonely, gullible, easily-trusting child, and I was betrayed enough times by the people closest to me to learn that the best way to get through life is to be really real with people, even if that means saying things that people don't like. The people I love and respect most know that I will always be realistic with them and that they can and SHOULD always be realistic with me. People get hurt in life and there is absolutely no way to avoid it. We get hurt by those we hate and even more by those we love. The people who earn my trust and respect have my COMPLETE faith as a friend. I don't like everyone and I don't put up with bullshit, and I know that makes me easy to hate for some, but the truth is... the people I love know that I always have their back. I am unfalteringly loyal and will go to ANY length to help and support my friends and family. I'm just not interested in creating the illusion of any other truth, because there isn't one.
"Also, your friends keep commenting. It's really annoying. I don't care about their loyalty"
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Luna Goss Avery...enough is enough drop it and leave it you're only hurting marley and yourself with comments like that Marley...she's seeking attention ignore her no offense to either of you but this is ridiculous and childish either shake hands and play nice or agree to disagree and go your seperate ways!!! It shouldn't take someone else to tell you that!
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Marley Joy "Avery" is a guy, and we've got it handled. Thank you for your input. :P
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Luna Goss Btw NEVER apologize for me Marley! If I feel an apology is in order I'll do it myself.
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Tasha Korsunsky Ruh roh, i'm being called a fake idiot by someone i don't know!
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Avery Gai Yeah but shes met me multiple times. Kinda funny like that.
Anyway, Marley, please delete this thread. shit like this is all fucked up and doesnt refl3ect on either of us well.
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It's cute when people worship your every word about other people and commend you for being so smart and clever and observational, and then trash talk and call you ignorant when the words are about them. Ah, the responsibility of being honest. ;)
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Luna Goss Welcome to my world
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Avery Gai you're an idiot marley...
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Marley Joy no u
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Marley Joy Blind patriotism and all that.
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Marley Joy Also HAHAHHAHAHA
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Avery Gai point proven
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Marley Joy You'd like to think so, I'm sure.
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Avery Gai you're also a sarcastic bitch..................................
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Marley Joy Well yes, that much is true.
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Marley Joy Seriously though, hating people because your friends hate them is just so middle school. Try to move past it.
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Avery Gai no, I just think you're disgusting stupid and 2faced...............................................................................................
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Marley Joy You're entitled to your opinions, naturally. Thinking I'm disgusting, that's fair (but whatever). Thinking I'm stupid, that's wrong (but whatever). Thinking I'm two-faced though, that's just silly! Where does that one even come from?
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Avery Gai scuse me, i meant fake
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Marley Joy Oh. Well, that's also pretty silly. Give me an example of my "fakeness".
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Avery Gai
you say votes dont really matter because you want to hold opinions that go against the norm. you want people to think youre edgy and unique, and you try to prove it by copying other people. You also want people to think you're smart, so you...r proof is that you can poorly reiterate other people's ideas that you think sound clever. You also prove it by using stupid "big words" like "cretin" or "troglodyte."
my point is that you try to be something you're not, and when your improper self-image is challenged, you flip the fuck out and, rather than proving yourself (because you can't,) you slander whoever did it to draw away from yourself. It's a logical phallacy called the 'scarecrow technique.' look it up.See More
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Marley Joy
"you say votes dont really matter because you want to hold opinions that go against the norm."
No, I say that votes don't matter because they don't. I am a staunch anti-statist, a moral nihilist, and find supporting a corrupt institution to... be a completely ignorant attempt at reigning in a small amount of freedom that is stolen from innocent people on a regular basis. If you need to tell yourself that my opinions are fake because I think they sound cool, you are delusional and hilariously hypocritical, considering what large portion of your life has been dedicated to thinly-veiled "punk" culture and obnoxious, trite fashion statements. Nice try, though.
"you want people to think youre edgy and unique, and you try to prove it by copying other people."
I genuinely don't give a shit what other people think about me. I live my life doing things that make me happy. Obviously if I wanted everyone to think I was super cool and awesome, I wouldn't argue with people and tell them they are wrong so often. It would be far more effective to be falsely agreeable. False logic is false. Nice try, though. Also, seriously, point out just ONE time or ONE situation in which I have ever copied someone with my own style/beliefs/self-presentation. I promise you'll be hard-pressed.
"You also want people to think you're smart so your proof is that you can poorly reiterate other people's ideas that you think sound clever"
I'm so glad I have you here to tell me what I want. What would I do without you to make all of my decisions for me? Gosh! Also, seriously, point out just ONE time or ONE situation in which I have ever copied someone with my own style/beliefs/self-presentation. I promise you'll be hard-pressed.
"You also prove it by using stupid "big words" like "cretin" or "troglodyte.""
Haha. I love it when poorly-educated people try to criticize their intellectual superiors for using "big words", as if there is something shameful about it. I would also like to point out that I cannot even remember the last time I used the word "cretin", but it is seriously sad that you consider a six-letter, two-syllable word to be "big".
"my point is that you try to be something you're not"
Really? What is it that I try to be that I am not actually?
"and when your improper self-image is challenged, you flip the fuck out and, rather than proving yourself (because you can't,) you slander whoever did it to draw away from yourself."
I don't know what an "improper self-image" is, and I highly doubt that you do either. I rarely "flip the fuck out", as I am not a particularly aggressive person until someone feels the need to personally insult me or those I care about. I argue a lot, yes! I enjoy challenging the opinions of others and having mine challenged as well... until, of course, the discussion becomes pointless/childish/slanderous, in which case I am known to treat it like what it is: pointless, childish slander. I'm sorry you take issue with this, but it's not my problem.
"It's a logical phallacy called the 'scarecrow technique.' look it up."
I am interested in this so-called "scarecrow technique". Curiously, I looked it up and could find nothing illustrating its history as a psychological defense mechanism or complex. If you could point me to any interesting texts on the subject, I'd like to read them.
See, the problem with all of this is that you're mostly talking out of your ass. I understand and respect your desire to defend your friends, but boldly insulting someone you know very little about with silly presumptions is not a valid way to prove me wrong. I admit that my partaking in a childish, slanderous argument with a couple of stupid people was also childish as well as pointless. But trying to start a fight with me by making up a bunch of stupid baseless insults is not going to get you very far where defending someone else's honor is concerned. Thanks for playing.See More
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Marley Joy Oh, I see now that what you were referring to is actually called "The Straw Man Fallacy", not "The Scarecrow Technique". The Straw Man Fallacy is actually when a person misrepresents or exaggerates their opponent's position/opinion without ever refuting it. If you can point out where I have ever done such a thing, I will be impressed. Please try.
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Avery Gai
Wow that was really long for such a short comment... you just flipped the fuck out...................................
but I already gave you examples. don't ask again, it's obnoxious. But yes, I meant "straw man." unfortunately, I confuse f...allacies causing some confusion, but it is one I have seen you use recently. Refer to your conversation with Graham: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html The fallacy I meant was "Ad Hominem/Ad Hominem Tu
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"Wow that was really long for such a short comment... you just flipped the fuck out..................................."
Since when does writing a lot mean the same thing as "flipping the fuck out"? Are you mentally retarded?
"but I already ...gave you examples. don't ask again, it's obnoxious."
So basically what I'm getting from this is that everything you just said is completely worthless because, rather than providing any legitimate examples of the behavior you claim I demonstrate, you just spewed a bunch of words that you thought sounded good and made me sound bad. However, since you cannot actually provide examples of any of the things you claim, you clearly do not achieve either of those desired effects. You don't sound good, and I don't look bad. Thanks for proving my point. :)
"I confuse fallacies causing some confusion, but it is one I have seen you use recently. Refer to your conversation with Graham:"
I was PART of that conversation, so I do not need to review it to know what "techniques" I did and didn't use. If you can point out one example of my using the "Straw Man Fallacy", I will be impressed. Please try.
I find it fascinating that you chose to point out the Ad Hominem argument, since the only reason I ever used that argument was in an effort to MOCK someone who used it on ME initially. But again, nice try.See More
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Avery Gai wow marley... you're so badass................................... but you copy other people all the time. The people you think are cool, because you want to be like them. People like Nina and Graham. You know it's true. Also, im proper self-image means INFLATED EGO. Anything else you take offense to?
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Marley Joy
"but you copy other people all the time."
Again, please provide ONE example.
"People like Nina and Graham."
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Okay, you named two of my best friends. That is very good. Now provide an example of how I have ever copied either of them or anyone else in any way. Please, try.
"Also, im proper self-image means INFLATED EGO."
Oh, so something else you're wrong about.
"Anything else you take offense to?"
The only thing I take offense to is how you are still completely incapable of providing any examples of the behavior you claim I demonstrate, yet still seem to believe that your arguments are so much more solid than mine. After all, mine are just copied from elsewhere, right? (But I bet you couldn't prove it.)See More
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Marley Joy I have asked you seven or eight times now to provide examples of this behavior, but you are still incapable of providing any.
THAT IS MILDLY CURIOUS
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Marley Joy But call me a stupid fake again, maybe that will validate your point.
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Avery Gai
You reiterate their opinions all the time. Another person is the guy in the video (aka "copied from elsewhere") who thinks votes don't mean anything. You also claim to be a moral nihilist, while you show outrage when anyone does something t...hat goes against your morals. Example? when you snitched on Stasia to Al because you thought it was "fucked up for her to do that." You were right to do it, but that is DIRECLY antithetical to moral nihilism. That's all I need to say, you keep asking me to be more and more specific. It's like a toddler that keeps asking "why?"See More
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"You reiterate their opinions all the time."
Wait, you are saying that I reiterate the opinions of Nina and Graham? You don't think it's possible that me and two of my very best friends in the world could possibly... share opinions? Are you... trying to assert that people cannot share opinions without one person having "copied" another? You don't need to answer that question about being mentally retarded anymore.
"Another person is the guy in the video (aka "copied from elsewhere") who thinks votes don't mean anything."
So, again... someone else already expressed many of my shared opinions in a 10 minute long youtube video, which I cited as expressing many of my beliefs and provided for ease of access... and because of that, it means my opinions are "copied"? I think you're confusing genuineness with originality. Hint: My opinions are genuine. Are they original? Of course not, neither are any of yours. That doesn't make me "fake". Nothing is original.
"You also claim to be a moral nihilist, while you show outrage when anyone does something t...hat goes against your morals."
Do you know what moral nihilism means? It doesn't sound like it. Let me help. Moral nihilism is the belief that there are no predetermined sets of morals by which all human beings must live their lives, and that each human being must create their own sense of moral values. Moral nihilism does not mean "having no morals" or "believing that morals don't exist". Be less dumb.
"Example? when you snitched on Stasia to Al because you thought it was "fucked up for her to do that.""
That is an example of when I copied someone? Man, you are bad at this.
"You were right to do it"
I disagree.
"but that is DIRECLY antithetical to moral nihilism."
lol no
"That's all I need to say, you keep asking me to be more and more specific."
I keep asking you to be more specific because you never actually get any more specific in your answers. You keep saying "YOU ARE SUCH A COPIER, YOUR OPINIONS AND STUFF ARE ALL STOLEN FROM OTHER PEOPLE", but once again you are unable to provide EVEN ONE example of this. You fail!
"It's like a toddler that keeps asking "why?""
No, it's like a parent giving their child an empty cup and saying "Drink your milk", and the child saying, "But mommy, there is nothing in this cup", and the parent saying "GOD DAMNIT DRINK YOUR MILK WHY WON'T YOU DRINK YOUR MILK MILK IS GOOD FOR YOU DRINK YOUR MILK!"See More
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Marley Joy Actually, my mistake. I described meta-ethical relativism instead of moral nihilism. Regardless, I believe in both, and you are still wrong in thinking that a moral nihilist cannot have opinions about right v. wrong.
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Avery Gai
wow you ignore points that are intrinsic to what I'm saying. I think it's because you spend so much time dissecting my sentences, Everything I've said is plain to see by anyone who's a decent judge of character. Maybe you lack the insight a...nd self-awareness necessary to see it. I'm annoyed with your incessant ignorance, though, so I'm out.
P.S. I TOLD you about moral nihilism in freshman year. So be quiet. You supposedly do not believe morals are a priori, therefor rendering the basis for "right and wrong" to be false. In an existential sense, this is accurate, as different cultures have different sets of morals. On the other hand, a moral nihilist just doesn't believe in right and wrong. It's similar to apathy. As in you wouldn't care. Because you can't get offended without morals AKA the concept of right and wrong.See More
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Marley Joy
"wow you ignore points that are intrinsic to what I'm saying."
What points did I ignore? And speaking of ignoring, you STILL haven't provided EVEN ONE example of the behavior you claim I demonstrate. Why is that?
"I think it's because you ...spend so much time dissecting my sentences"
Well listen, SOMEONE in this discussion needs to be thorough and accurate, and it's obviously not going to be you.
"Everything I've said is plain to see by anyone who's a decent judge of character."
Yes, your words are easy to understand. But also completely incorrect, so... kind of pointless.
"Maybe you lack the insight a...nd self-awareness necessary to see it."
See what? You haven't said anything I don't understand. You simply haven't been able to back up your arguments at ALL, and I've asked you to do so OVER AND OVER to no avail. That's your problem, not mine.
"I'm annoyed with your incessant ignorance, though, so I'm out."
You mean, you've realized that you lost the argument and can't defend one of the retarded things you've said about me, so you're "out". That's fine. Bye.
"P.S. I TOLD you about moral nihilism in freshman year. So be quiet."
I don't remember you ever telling me about moral nihilism, and we didn't even really hang out in freshman year. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you did tell me about it. What's your point?
"You supposedly do not believe morals are a priori"
Says who? You are making things up. Moral nihilism (the belief that nothing is INHERENTLY moral or immoral) does not suggest the ABSENCE of MORALS. You are dumb. Stop being dumb.
"On the other hand, a moral nihilist just doesn't believe in right and wrong. It's similar to apathy."
You are 100% incorrect. Moral nihilism does not suggest the ABSENCE of MORALS, only the absence of INHERENT, SPECIFIC MORALS in/about SPECIFIC INSTANCES/CONCEPTS.See More
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Marley Joy Oh also stop confusing morals and preferences, they're not the same thing.
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Tasha Korsunsky Hey Marls, might be time to unfriend this punkass bitch. Bitchass punk? Take your pick. You already won this battle of the wits in my book, even if we don't see eye to eye. =)
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Avery Gai Tasha I thought you were a fake idiot even before I thought marley was...................................................................
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Marley Joy
"Hey Marls, might be time to unfriend this punkass bitch."
I don't even care enough.
"Tasha I thought you were a fake idiot"
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It is really ridiculous for you to be calling anyone a fake idiot, Mr. blue hair DA mohawk 00 labret gauge demonia boots dirt-stained "omfg look at how punk and socially carefree I am" retard.
"even before I thought marley was"
It's pretty funny how you go back and forth between "Marley is a fake idiot jerk dummy" and "omg, don't you remember when we used to be like BFFs like we used to hang out all the time in middle school call me any tiiimmeee omggg" as it suits your mood.See More
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Avery Gai
Sometimes I try to think there's something more to you, because I used to see it. Time and again, you show me your light has extinguished. And yeah I used to dress funny. Sorry for having some fun with my clothes, trying to cover my BDD wit...h piercings and being too depressed and lonely to even shower. But thanks for pulling up that part of my life. I remember you were too busy snuggling up to the upperclassmen to even realize your supposed friend was in dire need of a friend back then. Instead, you chilled with the people who once held me down and spat in my face. That was when I first realized you were disgusting. See More
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Marley Joy
"Sometimes I try to think there's something more to you, because I used to see it. Time and again, you show me your light has extinguished."
You are super dramatic and ridiculous.
"And yeah I used to dress funny. Sorry for having some fun wi...th my clothes, trying to cover my BDD with piercings and being too depressed and lonely to even shower. But thanks for pulling up that part of my life."
I hope you'll take this opportunity to realize how little we actually know about each other. I don't know your history or the reason for the things you do/did, and nor do you know mine. However, I certainly have never claimed to know those things about you, while you seem to feel like you have the right to judge my actions as being "copied" or "fake" when you really don't know that much about me or the reasons for the things I do. Trying to comment on my status and pick a fight with me in an effort to defend your friend's honor was - like I said - understandable and kind of admirable, even. Still, it was not mature, and you are definitely being a hypocrite by criticizing me for all of the same things you are doing in this conversation. If you don't want me to "bring up that part of [your] life" (lol), don't come around acting like you know fuck-all about me, because you know as much about me as I know about you, if not even less. I find it utterly hilarious that you appear to be offended by comments regarding your style of dress and outlets of self-expression, because that's exactly how you're judging me and Tasha. You may be aware of bits of information about me that you think are sufficient basis for insults, but the truth is, you're superficial as fuck... and deluded if you believe otherwise. You don't know me, you don't know Tasha, and you're as bad as everyone you hate. Hope this helps.
"I remember you were too busy snuggling up to the upperclassmen to even realize your supposed friend was in dire need of a friend back then. Instead, you chilled with the people who once held me down and spat in my face. That was when I first realized you were disgusting."
What upperclassmen was I "busy snuggling up to"? I had almost no friends in freshmen year. I think you're making things up out of convenience. Again. That's kind of sad! I'm not sure which friend you're referring to who "was in dire need of a friend back then". Who is that?
I think it's legitimately really sad - not pathetic, but actually saddening - that you seem to have blurred the lines between me and Nina as people. I guess you must still be harboring feelings of resentment toward her if you're bringing up all of that bullshit, but you need to be reminded that 1) I was not there when people held you down and spit on you, 2) I have never condoned, supported, or even really acknowledged people holding you down and spitting on you... since I wasn't there and it didn't involve me at all, and 3) Wasn't it Sam or some other older kid who held you down? Yeah, I wasn't friends with any of those people. That was Nina. I am not Nina. Get over Nina, already. Holy shit.See More
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Marley Joy You don't think I'm disgusting. You think Nina is disgusting! It's like she and I are the same person in your mind.
...dat's fucked up
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Avery Gai
No, you just came to that conclusion, and that was a really low blow. Clealry, I'm done with Nina. The principle is what matters, and I DID tell you about it. but you didn't care. And Yes, I remember your stories of grahams AWESOME uppercla...ssman parties you got to go to. How could I forget it? because *I* was your friend who needed a friend. I was lonely, and needed to get myself out there, and everyone figured I was just too much of a freak. it was really great marley. I actually asked you to invite me to those parties. You seem to forget how much smalltalk we used to share. BTW please stop writing novellas for responses, it's really tiring to read. You read way too far into things and make weird points by dissecting my sentences.
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Marley Joy
"No, you just came to that conclusion, and that was a really low blow."
That seems to be the obvious conclusion to come to, considering you associate me with events that I not only didn't support, but wasn't even there to witness.
"The prin...ciple is what matters, and I DID tell you about it. but you didn't care."
What principle? I'm sorry people did cruel things to you, but I WASN'T EVEN THERE. What could I have done?! I didn't remember you even telling me about it, but now that you mention it I do: I remember you telling me, angrily, about something dickish that people did to you after I had already heard the other side of the story from my best friend. I specifically remember that I didn't sense any sort of sadness from you. I would have been much more concerned if I had, but you have always projected an intensely independent and resilient spirit and I felt that you'd rather I left you alone. Not to mention the fact that I had a crush on you in eighth grade, and you completely ignored me because you were practically in love with Nina at the time. When I tried to get your attention, I was rejected. I never really considered us friends, and I'm not saying that to hurt you or anything. You never seemed to be interested in me except for the idle chit-chat we'd have in the hallway, which is why we never really got to know each other. You didn't seem to want to know me, so I didn't press it.
Also: Nina told me that when that whole pin-and-spit incident happened, you were being annoying and wouldn't stop, so she asked you to stop, and you continued, which lead to Sam sitting on you because he found it annoying as well. She said that YOU then spit on HER, which is FAR more believable than her spitting on you (since I have never even seen the girl spit in my entire life). Who was I meant to believe, my best friend of seven years or, a guy I barely knew? I STILL barely know you.
"And Yes, I remember your stories of grahams AWESOME upperclassman parties you got to go to. How could I forget it?"
First of all, Graham is a year older than me... I hardly considered him an "upperclassman" at the time, since he was still a SOPHOMORE. Second, I've been friends with Graham since I was twelve. If being friends with someone a year older than me constitutes my "snuggling up to upperclassmen", fine. But that's pretty stupid and wrong. Also, I genuinely cannot remember a time when you asked me to bring you to one of Graham's parties. I specifically remember viewing you as someone who didn't really want to be my friend, which is why we never hung out. (Remember when I was at your house a few months ago and couldn't remember that you'd ever been to my old house? Yeah, that's not because I didn't like you, it's because I never thought of you as someone who WANTED to be around me.)
"How could I forget it? because *I* was your friend who needed a friend. I was lonely, and needed to get myself out there, and everyone figured I was just too much of a freak. it was really great marley."
I am really disappointed in myself for not seeing you as being hurt and lonely. If I had known that's how you felt, we would have been hanging out a lot more. I was lonely too. I had almost no friends at the time and a very skewed sense of self. But again, you never treated me like you wanted to be my friend. You always projected that confident badass rebel persona that I felt I couldn't touch. I don't really feel entirely responsible for that though, since you definitely made yourself emotionally unavailable in a lot of ways. But again, I apologize I didn't see that you were hurting, and I can genuinely say that if I had known you were, I would have acted a lot differently around you.
"BTW please stop writing novellas for responses, it's really tiring to read."
I'm not forcing you to read or respond to me. If it's boring, stop.
"But of course Im superficial. One of the reasons I don't like you is that you treat your body like a garbage can... dats fucked up"
This is a pretty interesting thing for you to point out considering you used to be quite a fatass yourself. Also, I just joined the marathon team, do an intense military-style workout twice a week, and know more about fitness and nutrition than you will ever hope to because I realize the error in my ways as an overweight person, but you just go ahead and keep on trash-talkin'. It really becomes you. Fatty. :)See More
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Marley Joy
While we're on the topic of our friendship... the reason I messaged you the other week asking to hang out some time is because I always thought we could relate given the change to spend some time actually getting to know each other. I never... really considered us to be more than the most casual of friends, but not for a lack of want on my part. I think we've both matured a lot since we used to (kind of) hang out back in the day. I thought I might have the chance to actually feel that out with you, but it doesn't seem like that's going to happen now.
Just don't say I didn't try or that I never wanted us to be better friends, because that's such a load of crap.See More
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Luna Goss Uh marley? Who the fuck was that and where the hell did get that bullshit from? Her ass? None of that shizuoka made any sense! Btw love you to pieces! Miss you!!!
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Marley Joy lol
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Avery Gai
Marley being fat and treating your body badly are different, they are cause and effect. These days I strongly believe in eating the right food and regularly excercizing, not to be "ripped" but to be healthy. It bothers me when I see people ...treat their body badly.
I never meant any malice, and yeas, I admit, there was a time I was OBSESSED with nina. further, I never was "annoying" to her. I tried talking to her about the whole issue, and she was apathetic, so I guess that could be considered annoying. She then went home and lied to her mom about the situation, I wouldn't be surprised if she warped it for you too. But I did omit that I spat on her too. Marley, for a while I actually did consider you one of my closest friends. That you didn't even think of me as a friend should convey how different our social standings were.
As for my "badass persona," anger's a really easy way to cover up pain. Remember how neurotic I was years ago? I am, to an extent, self-sufficient but it's because I learned long ago that I can't really count on many other people. Ive been pushed away a lot, and so I don't really even reach out to people. It's been that way since middle school. I want you to understand marley that my problems with you are that Im really pissed at how you turned out. I'll apologize for the whole dramatic extinguishing lights thing, but it's a rather poetic way of explaining how I feel. I used to think you were the shit, but I can see how cold you got. It makes me sad and frustrated.
Also, your friends keep commenting. It's really annoying. I don't care about their loyalty-comments like when you figured I was only pissed about you for the situation with graham. I'd appreciate it if we could delate this thread and continue our conversation in private.See More
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Marley Joy
"Marley being fat and treating your body badly are different, they are cause and effect."
So... how exactly do you think I treat my body badly, then? Since I'm taking care of the fat thing and all.
"These days I strongly believe in eating t...he right food and regularly excercizing, not to be "ripped" but to be healthy."
Hey, me too.
"further, I never was "annoying" to her. I tried talking to her about the whole issue, and she was apathetic, so I guess that could be considered annoying."
I think she meant that whatever was happening at the time of the pin-and-spit incident involved you being annoying. She said something about loud singing. Obviously it was annoying other people too, because someone fucking sat on you! Not that that makes it okay in any way. Just saying.
"That you didn't even think of me as a friend should convey how different our social standings were. As for my "badass persona," anger's a really easy way to cover up pain. Remember how neurotic I was years ago? I am, to an extent, self-sufficient but it's because I learned long ago that I can't really count on many other people. Ive been pushed away a lot, and so I don't really even reach out to people."
I am more or less the same way. And I would NEVER turn someone away if they came to me for help, even if it was someone I hated. So I certainly wouldn't have done that to YOU if I'd known you were trying to reach out for help, since I always liked you on SOME level.
"I want you to understand marley that my problems with you are that Im really pissed at how you turned out. I'll apologize for the whole dramatic extinguishing lights thing, but it's a rather poetic way of explaining how I feel. I used to think you were the shit, but I can see how cold you got. It makes me sad and frustrated."
And MY problems with YOU are that you don't really KNOW how I turned out. You don't even really know how I was to begin with. I definitely got cold, but only because I've become a lot more logical and realistic. I was a naive, optimistic, lonely, gullible, easily-trusting child, and I was betrayed enough times by the people closest to me to learn that the best way to get through life is to be really real with people, even if that means saying things that people don't like. The people I love and respect most know that I will always be realistic with them and that they can and SHOULD always be realistic with me. People get hurt in life and there is absolutely no way to avoid it. We get hurt by those we hate and even more by those we love. The people who earn my trust and respect have my COMPLETE faith as a friend. I don't like everyone and I don't put up with bullshit, and I know that makes me easy to hate for some, but the truth is... the people I love know that I always have their back. I am unfalteringly loyal and will go to ANY length to help and support my friends and family. I'm just not interested in creating the illusion of any other truth, because there isn't one.
"Also, your friends keep commenting. It's really annoying. I don't care about their loyalty"
I apologize for them. I didn't recruit them to comment here.See More
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Luna Goss Avery...enough is enough drop it and leave it you're only hurting marley and yourself with comments like that Marley...she's seeking attention ignore her no offense to either of you but this is ridiculous and childish either shake hands and play nice or agree to disagree and go your seperate ways!!! It shouldn't take someone else to tell you that!
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Marley Joy "Avery" is a guy, and we've got it handled. Thank you for your input. :P
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Luna Goss Btw NEVER apologize for me Marley! If I feel an apology is in order I'll do it myself.
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Tasha Korsunsky Ruh roh, i'm being called a fake idiot by someone i don't know!
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Avery Gai Yeah but shes met me multiple times. Kinda funny like that.
Anyway, Marley, please delete this thread. shit like this is all fucked up and doesnt refl3ect on either of us well.
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