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Oct 01, 2010 20:02

Vampires are all the rage these days. Teen girls and goth-kids with low self-esteem want the super-powers of flight, transformation, strength, and sexuality that vampires are imbued with...and then ignore all the murder, bloodiness, and cravings that come with it. They neuter the character, and turn the vampire into nothing more than a high ( Read more... )

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tim1965 October 4 2010, 00:33:32 UTC
I got the entire show on DVD two years ago, but am only now crawling through the audio commentaries and DVD extras. It's a huge slog, as many of the commentaries are kinda worthless and provide no real facts or trivia.

But I learned a lot!

I think Nathan Fillion got cast on "Buffy" solely because "Firefly" had just crashed and burned as a TV show. Fillion was added because Whedon adores him as an actor (I don't) and wanted to stay loyal to him.

Did you know that the "Beer Bad" episode was written as an attempt by the show to get a $500,000 grant from the Office of the U.S. Drug Czar? No shit. They didn't get the grant, because the Drug Czar felt the show's supernatural element made the anti-drug message unrelatable by kids.

The "Dracula vs. Buffy" episode was foolishly made the Season Five premiere, because guest star Rudolf Martin was appearing in the made-for-TV movie "Dark Prince: The True Story of Dracula." (This is the semi-historical film in which Vlad III Dracula's beloved little brother is captured by the Ottoman Turks, gang-raped for a decade, turned into a homosexual, and then kills Dracula at the film's finale while mincing about and dressed in perfume and diaphanous clothes. No, I don't make this up.) There was some behind-the-scenes financing agreement between Mutant Enemy (Joss Whedon's production company) and USA Network that required Rudolph Martin to make an appearance as Dracula (the vampire) on "Buffy." So he did, in one of the lowest-rated "Buffy" episodes of all time and the lowest-rated "Buffy" season premiere of all time.

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papadia1 October 4 2010, 00:41:39 UTC
as an actor not so much
but as a man with a lovely build i greatly appreciate
Nathan fillion!
and i love actually loved the buffy vs. dracula story line
i mean he was a bit corny but how they turned that into buffy wanting to know more about her origins as a slayer i liked alot. as for the dark prince thing i actually remember that i saw the first half of it then quickly got bored.
although if i knew gang rape was on the menu i might have stuck around a little longer lol

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tim1965 October 4 2010, 00:48:56 UTC
Yeah, that Turkish gang-rape occurs off-screen, so you missed nothing.

I thought the "Buffy vs. Dracula" thing was boring because they never really set Dracula up to live within the Buffyverse. At the end, he has super-powers (he can be dusted, but he can come back to life) which are unbelievable. And then Buffy just uses harsh language on him, which keeps him dust. Huh???

The whole "Caleb" story line in Season Six seemed dumb to me, in part because Caleb is immensely powerful and immune to harm -- as much as Glory was. Yet, when Buffy comes after him with the Scythe, she offs him easily. Their "climactic battle" really isn't. Joss Whedon was off writing scripts for "Firefly" and his other projects during the final season, so he wrote very few of the episodes. I think it shows here. Even Marti Noxon (who wrote some SUPERB episodes) admits that Caleb and the uber-vamps were made much more powerful for 18 episodes, and then suddenly de-powered so Buffy could kill them in the final three or four eps.

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papadia1 October 4 2010, 00:59:01 UTC
LOL i loved the whole rough talk keeps Dracula down thing
it was a bit much but a cute way to end it
i agree though the didn't really set him up at all
someone whose supposed to be this notorious he deserved atleast a two story arc something with a little depth to it
and ya the whole Caleb thing was a big far fetched
its one of the things i hate most when an epic standoff is just kinda thrown away. like Kendra for example she goes toe-to-toe with Dru and dosnt even get a good fight in shes just hypnotized then killed and its like wheres the fun in that?!

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tim1965 October 4 2010, 01:05:08 UTC
I didn't mind Kendra being hypnotized, because we know Drusilla has psychic powers and mental control over other people. This has only been augmented by her worsening insanity and vampirism. Kendra was never a strong character to begin with. She followed orders, and was totally subservient to authority. Although she'd begun to change a little under Buffy's influence, her lifelong submissiveness made her easy pickin's for Drusilla.

I wish they'd thought through Dracula a bit more. Is his vast age giving him more power? What powers? Is he somehow drawing on other demonic sources for power? How? Rudolph Martin is one hot fucker, I admit. But I expected an older, more mature, more "father-figure" Dracula -- someone with gravitas. Someone who could conceivably replace Giles as the father-figure in Buffy's life. Someone whose outlook on life was deceptively thrilling to Buffy, but in the end very evil. Instead, we got "Undergear" models and cutesy writing.

I like the cute shows on "Buffy." ("The Zeppo" is one of my faves, as is "The Wish.") But this one wasn't meant to be cute, it only defaulted to that when they apparently couldn't figure out how else to end the show. Bleah!

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papadia1 October 4 2010, 01:22:40 UTC
hmm agreed, Kendra didn't have much of a chance either way
i just find it funny that all the slayers seem to die so easily
like to two spike killed they just dropped like flies!

i kind of see why they made Dracula his age for the sex appeal minus
the the father figure aspect of it he was supposed to be pure
temptation and ended up more like an underwear model out of place.

and the cutesy episodes are some of my faves
like "earshot" and "doppelganger"

how've you been by the way?

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tim1965 October 4 2010, 01:25:06 UTC
What is your all-time fave ep?

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papadia1 October 4 2010, 01:32:41 UTC
ahh that's soo hard to say
i can give you like a top 5
those being in no particular order
"hush"
"the gift"
"once more with feeling"
"becoming part two"
"restless"

how bout you?

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tim1965 October 4 2010, 01:46:29 UTC
"Hush" is my all-time favorite, because it's incredibly inventive and features the best acting on the show.

Second: "Some Assembly Required," which makes me cry because Chris is such a tragic figure.

Third: "Lie to Me," not only because it guest-stars closet-case hunk Jason Behr but because it's another tragic story.

Fourth: "Beauty and the Beasts," another tragic story but one which has such amazingly metaphorical parallels between real-world domestic violence and this plot.

Fifth: Tie between "Anne" (Buffy discovers street kids are being kidnapped into a demon dimension), "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered" (Cordelia's love spell goes horribly wrong), and "The Body" (Joyce dies, and Buffy and Dawn are utterly bereft).

I give Honorable Mentions to "I Only Have Eyes For You" (where the two ghosts keep re-enacting their deaths), "The Wish" (Cordelia's vengeance-wish opens an alternate dimension where everyone has died), "Once More, with Feeling" (sing it, girl!), and "Villains" (Tara dies tragically and without meaning).

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papadia1 October 4 2010, 01:51:43 UTC
ahh see thats why its soo hard for me to have a favorite
because i thought "the body" was amazing and great acting from the cast
i especially loved Anya and how she didn't understand the concept of death
from the human standpoint.
and "i only have eyes for you" is another great one
very tragic i loved how they switched it with buffy being the lovelorn boy with the gun
and "lie to me" is a great one

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tim1965 October 4 2010, 02:00:05 UTC
I liked "The Gift" because there is that epic battle that you really want to see, and it finally happens! And poor, handsome Ben gets killed by Giles at the end. Buffy can't kill Ben, even if he is culpable, because she's a hero. But Giles can, and does. (Unlike Buffy and Faith, he shows no remorse for it. He knew it had to be done.)

I liked "Restless" a lot because it was a really ballsy way of ending the season! You would think that the death of Adam and the destruction of The Initiative would be the end, but no! And then you have that great scene were Adam is playing chess, and he has that sad, sad line ("Who I once was, no man knows the name"). And it's true: Whoever he was, whatever living and breathing and feeling and normal human being he was once was, that's all gone -- perverted by Prof. Walsh's experiments, destroyed, gone.

I liked "Becoming," but I could tell from a mile off that Angel was going to get his soul back and Buffy was going to kill him. It seemed a bit too obvious.

Hinton Battle (from "The Wiz") was OUTSTANDING in "Once More, With Feeling." But they gave Willow so few songs to sing! (That floating bit with Tara was wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!! "You make me....COM....plete!)

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papadia1 October 4 2010, 02:17:34 UTC
LOL well apparently Allison hannigan didn't want to sing
so she asked for the least amount of lines possible
hence her "i think this lines mostly filler" section

and i love how strange and forshadowing the show can be at times
like a scene in season 4 when faith comes back to town and causes chaos
buffy has that dream with her in it where they're making the bed
and faith says "little sis's gonna be here soon" which is wacky and witchy in my opinion lol

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tim1965 October 4 2010, 02:35:45 UTC
I wonder sometimes if they actually build that into the show on purpose, or if they do like BSG did and just insert vague, weird, odd sentences into the script to give them back-door holes so they can plug in future plot twists.

When I learned that BSG just threw in junk lines to save themselves, my estimation of that show sank a LOT.

I liked when Oz is staring at the statuette of the cheerleader, and says, "Ever notice that its eyes follow you wherever you go?" LOL!

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papadia1 October 4 2010, 02:45:00 UTC
BSG?
And yea I always wonder about stuff like that. I mean the strength of buffy will always be the writiing one of my favorite things are the lines that are repeated throughout the series like willow with
"I think I'm kinda gay"
And giles opening and ending the series with
"The earth is doomed"

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tim1965 October 4 2010, 13:34:39 UTC
BSG = Battlestar Galactica

"Buffy" always had super lines. Like when Buffy is listening to power-pop music while training, and Giles calls it "noise." Later, at the end of the episode, as the credits roll, Buffy asks Giles what sort of music he likes. He pauses, and as they go into the library he says, "The Bay City Rollers, now that's music."

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