Psi Vampire Rant

[tigresslilly]

Ugh.  So I've been engaging in an arguement on Gaia online about vampires, specifically phsyic vampires.  I know, I know most people I talk to are all like "come on you can't believe in vampires".  Honest short answer, I do believe that there are people who feed off the energy of other people and I consider those people "vampires".   I don't

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Re: Try doing a little research. pt2

[tigresslilly]

All energy is the same at a certain core level. Yes there are different signatures, flows, and feelings that go with specific energies. I can feel when my energies interact with others and depending on how often I come in contact with that energy I can identify it. Maybe this is a skill I was unaware of having, but energy conversion to fit what one needs isn't too difficult. Because really after a certain point it is all the same.

I don't have problems with people who consentually give energy. I have problems with people who take the energy. I also have problems with encouraging people into a path I think they could correct if they put work into it, but once doners are consentual a lot of my opinions and meddling feelings don't matter and I'd be less inclined to state them.

I care about the truth of the matter, you just haven't said anything to validate a perminent need of these people to me. To me it sounds a lot like a morphine addiction, sure a person needs the meds, but they should be able to gently phase off of them with recovery time and some physical thearapy.

Also, I'm big on consensual acts in energy. I would never poke around without asking first, and while its something worth working towards it isn't necissarily going to be the fastest work in the world.

I didn't say these people were all bad or even any of them were bad. I think the act of being a psi vamp is bad and wrong one act does not a bad person make though. I generally have no use for them, but as I said that's because most of them (that I've met) are trying to steal from me and I don't treat thieves kindly.

Re: Try doing a little research. pt2

[wingedwolfpsion]

Well, I can tell you the results of direct experiments with vamps. An innate psi-vamp (who literally does not have the ability to generate psi--that part of his system is not there--it isn't damaged, it's just not there) was given a mod to enable him to generate energy. That should be the end of it, right? Not so. After about a month and a half, his system starting showing clear signs of stress--then it developed a wobble. No amount of internal energy manipulation would correct the wobble, but taking energy from a donor DID. His system is hardwired to experience energy highs and lows, and requires energy flow through pathways that it doesn't go through via internal manipulation. If this were simply a matter of conditioning, the problem should reduce over time, but that hasn't been the case--the wobble and stress signs keep returning if he doesn't take energy from another.

That, combined along with the obvious instincts innate vamps have for dealing with energy manipulation, VERY strongly suggests that there is nothing wrong with a psi-vamp. They are SUPPOSED to be the way they are, and meddling to try to fix their 'problem' is just that--meddling, not a cure. Their system is designed to stay healthy through taking energy. Redesigning it requires extraordinarily complex measures, and that's the point where you really have to ask "Is this the right thing to do?"

I would compare it to trying to modify a person through surgery and conditioning to accept intravenous food so that they wouldn't have to be bothered with eating. Perhaps you could do it, but is it really right or healthy for them? What we consider moral isn't the primary factor here. Why should we be imposing that view on another when nature clearly has other ideas?

Now, how can you be 'addicted' to something you need? If you do it to excess, sure. But hunger for food is not an addiction, why should a psy-vamp's hunger for energy be considered one?

If your issues are with psy-vamps who behave unethically by taking energy non-consentually, then wouldn't it be more appropriate to rail against that BEHAVIOR, rather than the people? You cannot dismiss their instincts and their clear differences and simply say "well, they could change if they wanted to". That sounds like the people who are trying to say that homosexuality is a choice and is immoral. It's the same sort of deal.

Consider carefully how similar your argument is to those arguments. If it doesn't sit well, perhaps there's a good reason why it doesn't.

The deeper you look when you're really doing hands-on research with vamps, the more you see how intricately designed their systems are. It's not a DEFECT. It's a very complex adaptation, and anything you touch in there is going to have multiple repercussions in their system and functioning. I've seen pranic vamp core systems reconfigure themselves multiple times to accomodate larger amounts of energy--amazing! Why tell a person there is something wrong with them when clearly they were meant to be that way? If they weren't, then why do their energy systems have so many complex adaptations to make taking energy from others easier and more efficient, instead of just having a part missing?

[quote]I think the act of being a psi vamp is bad and wrong one act does not a bad person make though.[/quote]

Do you see how much this sounds like "I think the act of having homosexual sex is bad, but does not make the person bad?" I hate to drive a point home that way, but the analogy is pretty clear.

If the vamp is behaving ethically, then no one is harmed. If no one is harmed, when why do you believe it is wrong? Even if it WERE a choice, why would it be wrong, if it were consentual?

Can you imagine how that would make a young person feel, to hear that something they cannot stop, and haven't yet learned to control, is 'bad, evil, and wrong'? Do you expect that will help them in the long-term to become a well-adjusted person? After years of trying to deny it, eventually they become bitter...if you're going to tell them that they're bad in spite of their best efforts, then why shouldn't they be bad?

Re: Try doing a little research. pt2

[tigresslilly]

Ah, but I don't think that being a psi-vamp is genetic or something that is inevitable, it is something a person picks up fpr emotional, physical, or mental reasons. Maybe the trauma happened early on in life, but I don't think people are just born that way. Its like saying that some people are born with outh there lungs, I bet there are cases of it, but it is extremely uncommon.

Also, I think its a false comparison to compare the gay stance with a disliking of psi-vampires. It would be accurate if I thought a person couldn't help it, but they can. And you can like a person and not something they do. I have friends who are addicted to coke. I like them, I don't like their habit and I do think if it goes unchecked (in the case of coke) only negative outcomes are in the future for them.

The examples of this person or that person, while interesting, are not necissarily helpful to the arguement that people can't help being this way or that way. There are too many variables that could impact the results here. And in fairness, the kind of proof I'm looking for doesn't exactly exist, but I don't see this as a reason to lower my standards of proof. Short of direct personal experience that I can't deny, I require some form of history or scientific informantion to make me think that vampirism is anything beyond a predisposed weakness in a person that could be corrected.

I've listened to all kinds of personal testiment via books and pod casts. While it is interesting and it raises many different kinds of questions, it always goes back to missing gaps.

There have always been gay people in the worldm there haven't always been vampires.

Re: Try doing a little research. pt2

[wingedwolfpsion]

Well, let's take a more common birth-defect. Cleft palate occurs in about 1 in 1000 births. That number is about .1%. I would loosely estimate the incidence of innate psi-vampirism at about .01%. That's one in 10,000 people.

That would mean there were 30,140 innate psi-vamps in the US. That number exceeds the entire OVC by a substantial margin, and the OVC (online vampire community) is worldwide. When you factor in the people who do have some sort of energetic injury or addiction...why would you find it so difficult to believe these numbers?

Also, why have you decided that these folks do have a choice, when you have no more evidence for that than you have for their not having one? It strikes me as a bit uncharitable to condemn people unknowingly. Would it not be more ethical to give them the benefit of the doubt?

Your last statement there also confused me--yes, it's true, there have always been gay people in the world...but why would you think there have NOT always been vampires? Do you believe inborn psi ability itself is new?

Re: Try doing a little research. pt2

[tigresslilly]

I don't believe psi is a new ability at all. I think its grown and been developed more recently, but its not new. Like wise if psi isn't new then psi vampirism isn't new, but its seems to have really shown up recently. It isn't impossible that it has only begun recently, its just that when talking about genetics, there is usually a noteable trend of such in history. People who are gay or transgendered, for example, can be seen to exist throughout history and culture, and this helps to make a case for gay or transgendered traits to stem from genetics.

From what I can see psi vampirism isn't a phenomina that crosses history or culture, which gives it less of a genetic standing then these other traits.

I accept the psi vampirism is potentially possible and some people may really be born without such an energy system, but it would be extremely rare. If onlt 30,140 psi vamps were claiming to exist in the US, I could probably think on it like any other medical condition. It seems to me a lot more people claim such and those people who I have had contact with don't have anything wrong with them. Sometimes there is a blockage, but it isn't anything that couldn't be easily cleaned out if they had any desire to look after their health.

You've spoken to people who have significantly different energy systems then most people seem to have. If this is the case, then a person needs to find a way to make that work for them and if people willingly donate the energy there isn't anything wrong with psi vampirism. I haven't had that kind of exposure. I'm not unopen to the potential that this could be the case with some people, but I don't think its the case of most people who claim such afflictions. That would make it hard to give a person the benefit of the doubt.