Re: then get outtibbs270August 1 2005, 02:38:26 UTC
To insult people that are trying to fight for freedom of speech and uphold ideals that they are worth less than your blinding liberal propaganda is what I was speaking about. Honestly I was hoping to get a response, but i'm afraid that i am not going to sink to your level and swear at you. and why did you post anonymously? I have enough guts to sign my name to my opinions. I am exercising MY freedom of speech, and I disagree with war-hating left wing exhibitionists like you. I was not addressing the war or the leaders of our country, but I was addressing the problem of disrespect to the men and women of our fighting forces. For your information, my uncle is a Veitnam vet, my brother is currently in the marines and I have at least 8 cousins in the army. These are the people fighting for you to have your uninformed opinion, and I was simply saying that Veitnam vets were fought against by their own country when they returned home from war. You sound pretty bitter about my opinion. I could list off many reasons as to why you are sounding completely un-informed and hedonistic. But I don't have the time to address all of your claims about my parents and myself. I really don't have any reason to defend myself against you, because it is clearly you who has the problem. I do encourage you to write back to me and continue this, but please learn to spell and quit with the swearing. Have a nice day.
Re: then get outtibbs270August 1 2005, 07:42:29 UTC
i am a poor speller. this is not by choice, i'm just bad at it. no body's perfect i have my flaws, but spelling is not a reflection of my intellect. i'm sorry to offend you by my swearing, but i feel it sometimes best expresses what i'm trying to get across than using family friendly euphomisms. however, for mutual understanding i will try to hold back. as far as my using an anonymous it's because i don't know you and you don't know me, but other people on livejournal do and i don't want them in my life anymore. i was just checking posts out of bordom and gravitated twords yours. i don't usually post, but i felt my side needed to be defended. now, for the real arguement. i just didn't understand what the original beaf was. you never gave a clear example of what these protesters or the person who "lechured" your friend did that was truely disrespectful. often, i think the right wing war supporters thinks us librals are against them or there loved ones over seas. but trust me when i say that most of us believe the real tragity is that thier lives are lost in vain, because this war is unjust and unfounded. i am not against war when it is necessarie. i would not be alive if not for wwii. my grandparents are holocaust servivers and my other grandfather was a wwii sailor for the us navy. my grandparents on both sides would not have had my parents who would not have had me if not for that war. i also believe dessert storm was just, because dictators should not be aloud to invaide other countries for proffet or power. however, this war has not been made necessary to me or my ilk. as for vietnam, all of my many uncles on both sides served. they are also all democrats who didn't want to be there. in fact one of my uncles, dropped out his senior year of high school to inlist because he felt he had no choice. subsequently in the jungle he suffered from such intense depression and turned to heroin like many solders from nam. now he has post tramatic stress sindrome, a smack addiction and only one arm. he was very complient and a great athlete, translating into a great soldier. so he got to be in a unit that saw some of the most combat of that war. so no i am not bitter because of your comments i am bitter for my family because of his experiences. and yes people called him baby killer, which was terrible and inhuman and unexceptable. but it is not the same as what those protesters where about. to equate them is ignorance and inacurate propaganda. however, he was most upset when his country didn't provide him with the rehabillitation for drugs, loss of limb and mental anguish he experienced in vietnam. they were fine using him to do there dirty work, but didn't help him recoupe his losses at thier hands. let me make this very clear, i am not anti soldier and i am not anti war. i am anti iraqi 2005 war because i don't want americans dieing. it's a waste, and it's unfair. i myself tried to join the navy just a few months ago and wish i had been excepted. and i love america very much, our freedoms are priceless. i don't want to see us back slide to a time when these choices weren't there for us. i really think you should recheck the facts and look from the other sides perspective to help determine your possition on this and only this war. i did and i feel more understanding, while still confidant in my oppinions. and i will say it again this is a liberal state. there aren't very many left. out of fairness and ballance please get out and leave it for us. you like texas, you want texas, you can have texas. i'm sick of conforming to the white, rich, christian, republican way of life. i deserve to think differently than you. i deserve to have a place were i fit in, don't ruin it.
Re: then get outtibbs270August 1 2005, 22:20:29 UTC
What the protesters did that I think was truely disrespectful was not bothering to give any attention or direct respect to the representation of military in the parade, I don't like the fact that on Memorial Day the idea of children protesting the war got more recognition then the people that signed up to fight for our country wether the war was for better or worse. I don't think that we are fighting a war for the greatest reasons either, but we are and If I was able to I would fight alongside our troops I would, they were called to fight for our country and they did, and despite whatever war, I have the utmost respect for them. Of course war has its casualties, war is fighting and killing. My brother was announced dead while he was on the battlefield, it was a miracle that he survived whatsoever. He has no use of his right arm because of nerve damage, and his ear drum exploded. Right now he is extremely reliant on pain medication, and has been for the past year and a half, it has gotten bad enough that he cant really function without them. Of course war has its costs, im in no way trying to belittle your relatives and the soldiers of Veitnam. I have heard stories of his friends who have post traumatic stress syndrome so badly that they have actually taken lives since they got back. But I still support them for being over there. The other part that I had a problem in was to tell them mother of a dead US Marine not a thank you, but that her son was wrong for fighting and the war is wrong and his life was taken in vain, seems to me a pretty shitty way of celebrating memorial day. Also, yes I am white, yes I am christian, and yes I am a republican, If you like you can also talk about me being female. But I have never been rich, and I am not even middle class, I am republican based on morals, Ideals and logic not my parents political opinions. And I plan on staying in Washington simply for the fact that my political side needs to be represented here just as much as your political side does. Honestly I think you are putting too much power into my hands by saying that I, or people with opinions like mine, are ruining this state for you, but thats your choice to think of it as ruined. I think that its a shame that we can not be as great as texas was at commemorating our fallen and living soldiers on memorial day, and that is my point.
and why did you post anonymously? I have enough guts to sign my name to my opinions.
I am exercising MY freedom of speech, and I disagree with war-hating left wing exhibitionists like you. I was not addressing the war or the leaders of our country, but I was addressing the problem of disrespect to the men and women of our fighting forces.
For your information, my uncle is a Veitnam vet, my brother is currently in the marines and I have at least 8 cousins in the army. These are the people fighting for you to have your uninformed opinion, and I was simply saying that Veitnam vets were fought against by their own country when they returned home from war.
You sound pretty bitter about my opinion. I could list off many reasons as to why you are sounding completely un-informed and hedonistic. But I don't have the time to address all of your claims about my parents and myself. I really don't have any reason to defend myself against you, because it is clearly you who has the problem.
I do encourage you to write back to me and continue this, but please learn to spell and quit with the swearing.
Have a nice day.
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I don't think that we are fighting a war for the greatest reasons either, but we are and If I was able to I would fight alongside our troops I would, they were called to fight for our country and they did, and despite whatever war, I have the utmost respect for them.
Of course war has its casualties, war is fighting and killing. My brother was announced dead while he was on the battlefield, it was a miracle that he survived whatsoever. He has no use of his right arm because of nerve damage, and his ear drum exploded. Right now he is extremely reliant on pain medication, and has been for the past year and a half, it has gotten bad enough that he cant really function without them. Of course war has its costs, im in no way trying to belittle your relatives and the soldiers of Veitnam. I have heard stories of his friends who have post traumatic stress syndrome so badly that they have actually taken lives since they got back. But I still support them for being over there.
The other part that I had a problem in was to tell them mother of a dead US Marine not a thank you, but that her son was wrong for fighting and the war is wrong and his life was taken in vain, seems to me a pretty shitty way of celebrating memorial day.
Also, yes I am white, yes I am christian, and yes I am a republican, If you like you can also talk about me being female. But I have never been rich, and I am not even middle class, I am republican based on morals, Ideals and logic not my parents political opinions. And I plan on staying in Washington simply for the fact that my political side needs to be represented here just as much as your political side does.
Honestly I think you are putting too much power into my hands by saying that I, or people with opinions like mine, are ruining this state for you, but thats your choice to think of it as ruined.
I think that its a shame that we can not be as great as texas was at commemorating our fallen and living soldiers on memorial day, and that is my point.
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