Have I mentioned I fucking hate satanists?

Dec 18, 2011 03:14

Like, especially when they try telling me they're "very modern pagans" and think we must share some bond?  Despite the fact I don't really practice Wicca or anything else like that, despite the fact that unlike most of them I actually grew up around the "old school" magick stuff, and despite the fact that my and my sisters' social lives as children ( Read more... )

idiocide, my satanic verses

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mhmartini December 20 2011, 03:06:16 UTC
It's amazing how many people don't "get it." I've heard Wiccans claiming that they practice "the old religion." Yeah, if 1950 is old faith to you. I had one friend claim to be Wiccan, but then ask where she might get a small pig for a sacrifice (um, not very Wiccan, as they harm none). When I related the latter to someone who was against Paganism, they thought that was normal for Wiccans, simply because in their mind, non-Christians must kill things. I heard someone saying Pagan stood for People Against God And Nation.

There is a clue out there somewhere. I'm convinced whoever finds it first will win a prize. So far, there have been no winners.

That being said, I do feel a kindred connection with anyone who practices a non-standard/non-mainstream in America religion or spirituality, as long as they don't don't hurt anyone. So I can see where that comes from.

But Satanism has been around almost as long as the Judeo-Christian God has been around, so it's hardly "very modern Paganism." Actually, I would have a hard time defining it as Paganism at all, since, by definition, a true Satanist must believe in the God of Abraham and the fall of the angel Lucifer. Just because they play for the other team doesn't make them Pagan; they still subscribe to the Judeo-Christian belief system. Pagan was the term used by the church during its conquest of northern Europe and other lands far from Rome to describe the people who lived beyond the reach of the church/outside the influence of its beliefs. The word pagan is closer related to country dweller than to Satanist, since Satanist are not beyond the influence of the church that describes the creation of Satan.

Just my 2 cents worth. I'm sure they'd be pissed if I ever tried to tell them any of that.

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thoth_moon December 20 2011, 05:07:56 UTC
Yeah, I referred some people to this article - http://holysmoke.org/wicca/satvnp.htm. They have a few other articles on the matter, too; I don't think they're big fans of their "sister religion" or whatever the fuck.

I think Satanism falls into a category of five "Abrahamic" faiths. Judaism is like the eldest sibling, Christianity's the one that's popular because it'll get in bed with anybody, Islam's the spitfire with something to prove, Sikhism's the stepchild that lives with its other parent most of the time, and Satanism's the brat that thinks it's rebelling by living in Hot Topic.

Mind, I don't practice magic or anything because I don't think it's for the irresponsible everyday. Like, to me a Fabrigee egg is pretty, but a regular egg is easier for me to consume. But I do like and totally resonate with the defintion of the pagan as the country dweller with the folk beliefs, be there heavy magic involved or no. And this simple folk don't have the money to waste on big gaudy upside-down crosses to nail in every corner of my place to boast to people about my decor motif *eyeroll*

And yeah, most of them probably would. It's what the busted wine bottle's for ^^

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mhmartini December 20 2011, 12:45:00 UTC
Your description of the five Abrahamic faiths is spot on; I would like to use it at some point.

PS - you know how many people call Muslims Pagan, too? They get all uppity and offended if you tell tell them that's not true.

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thoth_moon December 20 2011, 18:17:09 UTC
Thanks! I developed that one on a walk yesterday, pimp it out!

I think that stems from the centuries-long prejudice that they're evil heathens because we were adversaries in the Crusades ... when really that prejudice was propagated probably more for economic and nationalist purposes than it was religious, but I digress. Best pop culture piece that I think sums it up is toward the end of an episode of Family Guy where Jesus points out to Peter that he's Jewish. Brian says something along the lines of "Yeah, and if I'm not mistaken, isn't Islam in that same religious family--?" wherein Jesus cuts in with "Eh eh eh, let's not muddy things up right now..." Or something like that ^^

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