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[thomfoolerie]

After much religion bashing, I have found new insight, thanks to a good friend. I thought I would never be writing such, but here I am. I have found myself in situations where I am defending Agnosticism/Atheism and in return striking blows on Christians. Of course it should not be a surprise that I, as well as many others do, end up resorting to

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a very long pondering...you asked for it

[in_naked_wonder]

there is a big christian movement arising (one that makes more sense to me than any church doctrine) that goes against christianity being based off of rights and wrongs and instead based on desires and love. it's based off of jesus' life and the fact he would do what was "wrong." For example, the pharisees called him hypocrite (although not that terminology, but the same idea). yeah his followers worked (healed) on the sabbath but it was the right thing to do even though it did not follow the rules of their doctrine. i think the movement is trying to find out where did we mess up? what does it mean for us now?

i don't know i'm finding all of this to be more true than following rules, and yeah they do talk about doing what is right but that doing right is a desire out of loving god. like brandon asked me not to smoke, so i don't and i don't because i love him and i know he asked me not to out of love, i didn't stop because it was the right thing to do (health wise, etc.)if that was the case i would never have started.

likewise, god asked me not to have sex before marriage because he loves me, i obviously have had sex so its not that i don't believe in god or that sex is wrong but that so far i don't love god enough to want to please him or obey him.

i could lie and say i love god more than anything, but its a lie, i do love my fiance more than Him. and i think it is because i spend more time with brandon and i know him better, and that is where the movement comes back again, where it is through learning more about God, you love God more

(i see this in my life, the more i listen to what he says the more real, and more amazing i find him, but when i shut him out and ignore his presence the less i care or find anything that amazing about him (which makes for a much lonelier, ungrateful, and bitter life for me)

so the more i learn about him the more i love him, and the more i love him the more i want to please him, to show him my love.

you asked me once why i believed, and i've thought about it. you know i strive to be as open-minded as i can. i try a lot of things, when i learn about new ideas or religions i open myself to think could i do this? could i believe in this? if i did what would that mean? is it rational? does it have to be rational? i'll try ideas and beliefs on and search within it to see if i feel it to be true. God, father-son-holy spirit, etc. is the only thing that felt true...real, after knowing that with every part of me it feels unnatural to claim that it is not so, my entire being rejects it.

i find what feels to be compelling or true about other religions is the similarities i find with the god i believe in. the more i learn the more i see us all worshiping the same god, where that leaves heaven and hell and political righteousness, i don't know.

Re: a very long pondering...you asked for it

[thomfoolerie]

Wow. i'm glad you took my word on pondering it. hehe. what is this religion movement you speak of? it's not Unitarian is it? i know they follow the teachings of many religions (the 'love' parts of them all), however, reject the dogma of orthodox religion.

i must admit i fully accept the majority of Jesus's teachings. he helped bring an end to the monstraucities of the OT Laws. i am coming to my own conclusion with all this religious talk...that the only truth is one's own truth. thanks for your shared insight to what your truth is and what it means to you. its good to hear people are putting great amounts of thought into such philosophies.