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thistle_chaser July 15 2014, 17:21:13 UTC
Your nose is welcome! :) This is so new and odd, I'll take any advice I can get.

you may want to consider front loading your calories more

Even though I don't want to (until I taste it), I make myself have a half-spoonful of peanut butter before I leave for work. Supposedly you need some protein within an hour of waking up to kickstart your metabolism. I don't know if that's enough though, so I might switch to some meat or cheese instead.

With that few calories for breakfast and lunch, your body may be functioning in fasting mode and it might explain the rapid weight loss as your body is doing most of it's "awake time" with not enough calories.

That could be...

I feel like I now know how eating disorders start. I feel so strong and in control! This problem I've had my whole life, which has always defeated me, I now have the upper hand on. When I do feel hunger, it makes me... laugh? Sort of. Like "You're not stronger than me, bwahahaha!". It feels good to not eat. (I don't think I'm really at risk for an ED, I just think I know how it feels. Eventually my body will adjust to this and I'll stop losing, then I'll get depressed and eat...)

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tersa July 15 2014, 17:57:21 UTC
Even though I don't want to (until I taste it), I make myself have a half-spoonful of peanut butter before I leave for work. Supposedly you need some protein within an hour of waking up to kickstart your metabolism. I don't know if that's enough though, so I might switch to some meat or cheese instead.

Try doing a full spoon. :) Both the protein and nut fats would be good for you.

Meat and cheese are also an option, though. Or, if you can tolerate it, chocolate milk (which is used by athletes as a recovery drink, having a perfect balance of protein and carbs).

That could be...

Just as a point of reference: my FitBit also keeps track of an estimate of how many calories I've burned throughout the day, I'm guessing based on the exercise I've had (in the form of the steps I've taken) and an estimated basal metabolism keying off my weight. An hour ago or so, when I replied, with a half hour walk this morning, I'd already burned 1000 calories today.

Calculate that against how many calories you've consumed by 10am, and you'll see what I mean. :)

I feel like I now know how eating disorders start. I feel so strong and in control!

Heh. But, yeah. I think a lot of anorexia's mental disorder component is the idea of being in control of one's hunger and body to the point of privation.

Eventually my body will adjust to this and I'll stop losing, then I'll get depressed and eat...

Try to remember that this time is a temporary thing, only two months. You can hold out two months, right? Because once you have the bariatric surgery, everything is going to change. A lot. Not just how much you can eat, but what and when.

Consider this training for that, because once you have the surgery, there is no sliding back into the old habits (without incredible risk).

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thistle_chaser July 15 2014, 18:18:12 UTC
Try to remember that this time is a temporary thing, only two months. You can hold out two months, right?

Yeah, that's the important part. Two months! I don't even have to keep up at this rate (though I will), I just need to do it for two months.

You're right, this is kind of training for post-surgery, too. Other than how I chew, this will be how I'm eating then. Protein first and foremost before I eat anything else, small meals, lots of water.

Try doing a full spoon. :) Both the protein and nut fats would be good for you.

Since I have the calories to spare, I think I will. Part of my brain whines about the calories, but like you said, both are good and I do need to eat in the morning.

Thanks for the point about chocolate milk! They sell little single-serving sized containers of it, I'm going to grab a few for use in the morning.

I think a lot of anorexia's mental disorder component is the idea of being in control of one's hunger and body to the point of privation.

Yeah, I'm not aiming for privation. (Great word, by the way! I had to look it up, which always makes me happy.) I'm willing to add some calories when I need to (and ignore my lying, lying brain).

Part of what I'm enjoying about this is seeing the disconnect between what my brain tells me and reality. No, brain, we do not NEED to stop at McDonalds and have 20 chicken nuggets and a large fry. Nope, you're lying to me. It's not your fault though, evolution made you want to eat as much as you can when food is available, but this is a different world.

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tersa July 15 2014, 18:43:03 UTC
You're right, this is kind of training for post-surgery, too. Other than how I chew, this will be how I'm eating then. Protein first and foremost before I eat anything else, small meals, lots of water.

Good. :) I think...well, kind of like what I just talked about on my journal, because this is How Things Are and Ever Will Be, especially in your case with having the surgery, it's really really important to re-train your lying, lying brain and find a zen about it.

Part of my brain whines about the calories

Haha. That's exactly why I gave up on counting calories this time around.

But I know how that feels. Tell your lying brain that it's not too many calories, you're just shifting the calories you're going to have to eat to another, beneficial time of the day. :)

Thanks for the point about chocolate milk! They sell little single-serving sized containers of it, I'm going to grab a few for use in the morning.

You're welcome! That's what I was doing when I was swimming all the time; I'd have a latte (with a full cup of milk) and a tiny bit of actual food (I was incredibly fond of coconut-date rolls for that) before swimming to kick start my metabolism and get me out of a fasting state, then drink a single serving of chocolate milk in the half hour after I'd get out of the pool before having my actual breakfast a little bit later.

Just make sure it's 2%. The fat will also help.

(Great word, by the way! I had to look it up, which always makes me happy.)

lol. It always amuses me when people say that. To me they're just...words I know. :)

Part of what I'm enjoying about this is seeing the disconnect between what my brain tells me and reality. No, brain, we do not NEED to stop at McDonalds and have 20 chicken nuggets and a large fry. Nope, you're lying to me. It's not your fault though, evolution made you want to eat as much as you can when food is available, but this is a different world.

Yeah, that's tough. And it's not just your brain, it's your brain's interpretation of the biochemical signals it's getting from the rest of your body. I've read some studies a while back that because of the way we eat, it can also get confused by how it interprets those, for example, saying, "I REALLY WANT A SUGARY COKE" when in reality, it's just thirsty.

Oh, that reminds me: another trick I did, especially at the beginning, was that if I got hungry and I felt it wasn't 'time to eat', I'd drink a huge cup of water (12-16 oz) instead. I'd say 95% of the time, that made me feel less hungry.

If I was still hungry 10-15 minutes later, then I'd eat. :)

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thistle_chaser July 15 2014, 18:58:03 UTC
That's exactly why I gave up on counting calories this time around

I haven't counted calories in a long time, it's always made me really unhappy (and fail fast) in the past. I don't know why it's working this time. (I think it feeds into my feeling of control -- I know exactly what to do and how to do it. Which leads back to the whole "this is so odd" thing because it's not like I didn't know in the past that I just needed to eat fewer calories and burn more.)

(I was incredibly fond of coconut-date rolls for that)

I remember that! You baked them yourself, right?

Just make sure it's 2%. The fat will also help.

It's packaged for kids, so I bet it is, but I'll check and be sure.

lol. It always amuses me when people say that. To me they're just...words I know. :)

Yeah, exactly. It seems like a common enough word, I'm not sure how I hadn't run into it before today. Still: Happy "new" word!

I've read some studies a while back that because of the way we eat, it can also get confused by how it interprets those, for example, saying, "I REALLY WANT A SUGARY COKE" when in reality, it's just thirsty.

So much that. I'm used to eating something sweet after my meals, but I found that drinking water instead can do the trick.

Oh, that reminds me: another trick I did, especially at the beginning, was that if I got hungry and I felt it wasn't 'time to eat', I'd drink a huge cup of water (12-16 oz) instead. I'd say 95% of the time, that made me feel less hungry.

If I was still hungry 10-15 minutes later, then I'd eat. :)

Yeah! I did that the first couple days, too. It fills up your stomach and tricks you for a while, hopefully long enough to get distracted by something else.

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