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thingswithwings February 9 2009, 00:15:55 UTC
speaking of Hoshii, what happened to him? Did I miss something or did he just vanish?

They made a point last episode that Gaeta hadn't brought him in on the insurrection, and I think he was put in the brig with the rest of the non-insurrectionist people in CIC. I guess he's the good queer! You know, the quiet white one who doesn't start shit or have a plotline on the show.

You're right about Zarek, too, in that the show didn't establish his heterosexual credentials in the way that it anxiously established them for almost all the other major characters. I'm also (sidebar) offended that Tom Zarek, defender of democracy, kills off the Quorum - the Quorum HE AGITATED FOR, my god. The lengths they went to to make their insurrectionists EVIL OMG are just ridiculous.

Claiming that race is completely irrelevant in this ficton was at best an ambivalent starting position, but then to stand by that argument while consistently picking off POC by turning them into victims or antagonists

yes, definitely, agree. Dualla was my last straw on that one, so Gaeta is like a kick while already broken; though really I should've known better, right from the beginning, when the Asian girl was the traitor/infiltrator. And you know, in retrospect, I'm more and more grossed out by the episode where Gaius reveals that he's a minority group, and it's signalled by him moving from an upper class to a lower class British accent . . . now it just feels like a move to make white actors plausible as metaphorical people of colour, which is. well. bullshit.

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thegiantkiller February 9 2009, 00:38:15 UTC
Missed that bit about Hoshii--I'll have to watch the eps again when I'm less annoyed (and not supposed to be concentrating on homework). Poor quiet white good queer (with a Japanese-sounding name?) who will probably never be seen or heard from again now that his confined-to-webisodes quasi-central-character love interest has been euthanized.

I almost literally headdesked when Zarek slaughtered the Quorum, because seriously, WTF was that about? There really was no reason except to erode sympathy by making him look (again) crazy and evil.

Race and language/dialect on BSG have been a mess from the beginning. They keep trying to use the idea that Colonials aren't culturally homogeneous (which would seem a fair assumption, if they've been spread out across 12+ planets for a couple of thousand years, though space travel musses things up a bit), but always as a matter of plot convenience rather than historical/anthropological logic.

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thingswithwings February 9 2009, 03:06:04 UTC
Yeah, I really agree re: race/dialect/ethnicity on BSG. At first they were doing interesting things with Sagittaron, and Dualla being from there (and being the ONLY senior officer from there), and it being exploited by other colonies, but then things got so mixed up and turned around that there was really no consistent or continuous portrayal of race/ethnicity on the show. It's like SGA, where shitty sloppy careless worldbuilding leads to utter fail.

I will bet ten dollars to anyone who cares to take me up on it that Hoshi never has a line again, except for perhaps "yes sir" or "receiving communication" or suchlike.

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thegiantkiller February 9 2009, 01:33:29 UTC
Hell, even the marines escorting Adama and Tigh in 4.13--they kill the Latino(?) and take the white one hostage. What is that?

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thingswithwings February 9 2009, 03:10:48 UTC
I noticed that too! And then in the hangar bay, they kill the Black marine first. And then the marine who was crazy-violent and had to be held back from beating people up too much was played by Craig Veroni, who I think of as a person of colour because he played one on SGA (though I'm not sure of the actor's race or how he identifies). But it made me uncomfortable.

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