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[thetapehiss]

Excerpt from Fail-Safe, co-written by Eugene Burdick and Harvey Wheeler, published 1962, republished 1999, Ecco Publishers, pp. 107-108

Comments

[dandelionsalad]

wow. that's such an interesting perspective. i guess i'd never thought about it that way. hmm...

[thetapehiss]

you can borrow the book once i'm done with it, biatch.

[malibu_knight]

i have had a similar thesis for a long time but never really kow how to present it without coming off like an asshole

[thetapehiss]

i'm not so sure whether, in the book, this characterization was given to emil in order to make him seem like an asshole or in order to make him seem like a man with controversial ideals. i'm probably going to finish the book soon and figure that, although the tone of it is pretty conflicted as of right now.

[iwasthere]

I just want to know where the Jews would get the pistols. There were several rebellions but most of them failed. It's hard to go up against an army of strong men when you have rocks and sticks to throw and children to look after. It's an interesting piece, however, I don't quite see supporting evidence in it for anything. For example, it's true that a lot of what happened was sudden. Jews had little time to flee the areas of places like Warsaw and Krakow before the Nazis took complete control. Many were not aware of what was to actually happen, so preparation for something so incredible was nearly impossible. I would like to see more of this, because right now I respectfully do not agree with what is being said.

[ashmagash]

The Jews knew what was happening, but many simply didnt want to leave. The Nuremburg Laws were adopted in 1935, but the Nazis themselves didnt develop the Final Solution until 1942. Most of what happened was not sudden at all; it was a constant deterioration from 1933 to 1942. They didnt need more time because they werent going to accept what was happening until it was too late, regardless of how late it actually came.

[iwasthere]

First of all, I hate arguing, but especially on livejournal, and especially with people I don't know. I just disagree with Emil. I don't believe what he said could have truly helped the matter. Do you want to add me? I'll add you back.
-Ben

[thetapehiss]

i agree, there are a lot of points that emil has that are rather unrealistic and Romantically exaggerated. i don't personally claim to know a lot or even much at all about the beginnings of the holocaust, and i only know what i have been told (which in many cases has been filtered by the personal background of the source) and what i can remember (which in many cases is not much at all, seeing as i don't find this period of time as historically enthralling as others). this excerpt is also from a work of fiction, so this source may be equally biased, if not more biased than something like the diary of anne frank. i don't completely agree with emil's point of view, but i also don't completely disagree with it

this made me really mad.

[ashmagash]

Emil is a fucking idiot.

Re: this made me really mad.

[thetapehiss]

hahah i was actually hoping that you would comment, i knew you would possibly the most passionate about it. i just wish there was more i could ... reply ... to? hahah peathe out.