The one where I really like White Collar.

Nov 28, 2009 03:51

So far, any positive comments I've seen about White Collar - including my own - have made a point of saying that it's brainless (if extremely pretty) fun. But I begin to wonder exactly what we mean by that.

I mean, it is tv, which is usually not your high water mark for intellectual stimulation, and by virtue of its very premise, White Collar has ( Read more... )

white collar, men in vests, man-pretty, tv, hair

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Re: As to dorky glasses, I have an adorable Ten icon somewhere that says 'Specs Appeal,' LOL. tempestsarekind November 30 2009, 02:45:05 UTC
I didn't even know there *was* an adaptation of Lady Audley's Secret! Hee. But yes, perhaps close-cropped hair would work better on Jamie Bamber. (I just--I have a very low tolerance for depressing TV? So I kind of stayed away from BSG.)

Costume dramas are probably a good place to find Magic Hair, though. I was always quite partial to Christian Bale's hair as Laurie in Little Women... (*And* he wears vests!)

And speaking of Fraser? Latter half of the second season, and he's getting some Magic Hair, too!

I know! I love that half-grown-out thing he has going on. I first started noticing the waves in "One Good Man," I think, and was horribly distracted. (My theory is that the show is very aware of Fraser's attractiveness, so it's not as if I can be expected not to notice. :) But I know what you mean: he tries so hard not to present himself as a physical being, and there I go mooning over his hair and his blue eyes!)

I always think Clark Kent is more attractive than Superman--now I know it's probably the dorky specs.

ETA: Whoops! I got distracted by all the talk of prettiness, and completely forgot to answer your first question. :) I think I saw the first two episodes after the pilot aired, but I can't remember quite what happened in the third one I saw (which wasn't in order). I missed quite a bit of the episode--why was I not home, I wonder? Anyway, I hope the show will find its legs, because I do like the characters a fair bit.

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Re: As to dorky glasses, I have an adorable Ten icon somewhere that says 'Specs Appeal,' LOL. thepresidentrix November 30 2009, 10:53:47 UTC
Well, it's not my place to say what another person will find depressing, but for my own part, I've always been a little mystified by the prevailing opinion that BSG is an unremittingly dark show. I mean, it concerns a genocide as a premise, so... yeah, that's dark. And depressing. But then most of the show is about hope and strength and growth in untenable circumstances. So I find the first couple of seasons to be very uplifting. My favorite storylines are the ones about forgiveness and life-affirmation. (Like with Lee and his father, who've had this very poor, broken relationship, but who have to come together as a family once tragedy strikes, because they're two of the only people left who have any family, at all).

Even if BSG is not for you, there has got to be some less depressing Jamie out there for you, there just has to! He just seems like your kind of dude!

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Re: As to dorky glasses, I have an adorable Ten icon somewhere that says 'Specs Appeal,' LOL. tempestsarekind November 30 2009, 20:16:33 UTC
I will have to be on the lookout for less depressing Jamie Bamber stuff, then. :) And perhaps I will give BSG a try someday; I'd been hearing the "unremittingly dark" angle from pretty much everyone, but your take on it is one I hadn't really heard before--it's nice to know that there's more in there than I thought.

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Re: As to dorky glasses, I have an adorable Ten icon somewhere that says 'Specs Appeal,' LOL. thepresidentrix November 30 2009, 23:54:39 UTC
I have so many notifications in my email box that I'm starting to get a little confused between them all! (But it's my own fault for starting so many threads!)

If I had to describe BSG succinctly (well, at least the part of the series I really believe in), I would say that it's a story about soul-searching (why do humans deserve to live?) and rising to the occasion posed by the human condition. Some of the characters are asked for a great deal more than others, and some succeed, some fail, some succeed only by making great sacrifices that look a whole lot like failures, and some grow strong when they're faced with decisions so difficult that there really is no easy notion of success. Most of the main characters are people who never expected to be called on for leadership or heroism - at least not to anything like the degree that they find themselves called upon - and I love that the show respects their foibles, anxieties and burdens, but also gives them opportunities for healing and triumph. (I especially love that the show manages to cook up so much conflict between good people who each care about doing the right thing. I mean, there are bad and not-so-good people, too, but they'd have plenty of problems, even if they didn't have any outright villains).

Oh, and it's also kind of a love story/a story about family. There's an odd sense in which the core characters, even though they haven't all known each other for very long, depend upon one another and function like a little nuclear family, with a mom and a dad (and a crazy, drunken uncle) and rivalries for each other's affection and loyalty.

There are some very dark moments. Oddly enough, one extremely upsetting example comes right smack dab in the middle of possibly my favorite arc of all. But it's also funny and endearing - and sometimes quite romantic - with lots and lots of memorable characters. Oh, and the score can be positively GORGEOUS - as can the boys, heh heh.

In fact while, as I say, SOME VERY DARK MOMENTS here and there, my biggest hesitation in recommending it to someone who likes thoughtful tv with complicated and ethical characters is that I'm ultimately rather displeased by where the show goes. It's tough; I could do like some fans do and tell friends to leave off watching at the end of season 2 or 3 (but a person wouldn't want to miss out on the stellar end of season 3, imho!) but there are aspects of the show that stay excellent all the way to the end. It just doesn't maintain all its aspects with equal excellence, and it makes some kind of stupid (again, imho) missteps. Bleh. Battlestar! I loved you so much! Why did you have to do me like that, Battlestar?

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Re: As to dorky glasses, I have an adorable Ten icon somewhere that says 'Specs Appeal,' LOL. tempestsarekind December 1 2009, 01:01:54 UTC
Thanks for this! I'm definitely going to have to rethink my avoidance of the show.

Battlestar! I loved you so much! Why did you have to do me like that, Battlestar?/i>

Heh. I felt that way about Gilmore Girls, only the feeling got steadily worse for, like, three or four whole seasons.

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Re: As to dorky glasses, I have an adorable Ten icon somewhere that says 'Specs Appeal,' LOL. valancy_s December 1 2009, 02:17:01 UTC
Was just looking at this thread and need to jump in re: your lack of captivation with Jamie Bamber. Have you or have you not seen Hornblower? Because 1) that is where I learned to love him, 2) it is not depressing, and 3) THE BROMANCE, IT IS EPIC.

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Re: As to dorky glasses, I have an adorable Ten icon somewhere that says 'Specs Appeal,' LOL. tempestsarekind December 1 2009, 18:06:45 UTC
I have not seen Hornblower! I always meant to, but never got a chance. That sounds like a good move in terms of non-depressing Jamie Bamber stuff.

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valancy_s December 2 2009, 02:22:08 UTC
a good move in terms of non-depressing Jamie Bamber stuff

Er... um... er... so I may have been a little misleading, actually. But Hornblower isn't unremittingly dark! It's only sometimes a bit dark! Lots of it is adventuresome and hearty! It's just that Jamie Bamber's character happens to be involved in a couple of the saddest moments. But the sadness isn't bleakness, I promise.

In brief: totally watch it. Just don't come back and kick me if you need a tissue occasionally.

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thepresidentrix December 2 2009, 03:37:45 UTC
In brief: totally watch it. Just don't come back and kick me if you need a tissue occasionally.

This. Right here. ;o9

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tempestsarekind December 2 2009, 20:53:34 UTC
Hee. I will keep that in mind. "Sad," actually, I can do. It's "bleak" that I tend to find hard sailing. And forewarned is forearmed, and all that.

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Re: As to dorky glasses, I have an adorable Ten icon somewhere that says 'Specs Appeal,' LOL. thepresidentrix December 2 2009, 02:59:02 UTC
Oh, you absolutely have to see Hornblower! But, er, valancy is right. The reason I didn't suggest it originally is that in between the FABULOUS swash-buckling adventures, it can be a little sad sometimes. (And Jamie Bamber's character so often winds up right in the middle of the sadness; Archie Kennedy is sort of the Harry Kim of his milieu, LOL).

But! Handsome young men in uniforms! With swords! And Captain Pellew! And it really is kinda EPIC.

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Re: As to dorky glasses, I have an adorable Ten icon somewhere that says 'Specs Appeal,' LOL. tempestsarekind December 2 2009, 20:55:12 UTC
As I said above, I can manage "sometimes sad." Especially when balanced out by handsome young men in uniforms. :)

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