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[mazzeh]

Okay, this isn't the most complimentary of articles, but I thought it was good for discussion here.

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[thaursir]

What else can he do? He needs to work. Bitching and moaning about something that isn't going to change (and once the network has made up its mind, it's not going to) will only earn him enemies in the business. He can't make more shows or even continue 'Pushing Daisies' in the avenues available to him if he's know around the business as being a bitch.

Besides, he's Bryan Fuller. He's been down this road many, many times before. If he doesn't know of a way to pull a dying should out of the hangman's noose, I have complete faith in the fact that no one does. He's a writer and creator. What he can do is write and create. Not beat dead horses, and certainly not tell the network how to run their business.

Ultimately, it's just a show. Yeah, it's a show we all love desperately, but it's a show. It's a gift. It was going to end some time. It sucks that it ends now, but whining won't help. Bad grammar on the part of that blogger won't help. Intelligent letters, written by the main demographic and sent to the studios that market the kind of shows we like, can make a difference. Supporting Bryan Fuller, the cast and crew, and the franchise of "Pushing Daisies" (because ultimately what producers care about is money-making potential) by watching their future endeavors and buying the comics and paraphernalia will help. Bitching like spoiled children won't.

That's my two cents.

[mazzeh]

I don't think that the gist of it was that anyone should bitch like children, though for sure it's going to happen for the next few days or so and personally, I can't blame anyone for that. The point is that Bryan Fuller does seem to be giving up on this a little too easy. Unlike (imo) Wonderfalls and Dead Like Me, PD really does have enough of a fanbase to get it picked up on maybe something like a cable channel. I'm not saying those other two shows DIDN'T have a big fanbase, just that this one is bigger. This isn't about being against Bryan or the cast or the crew to me, it's about encouraging him to at least ask around because it really does beggar belief that there isn't one network out there who'd snap his hand off for the chance to get their hands on this show. And this is a horse that is far from dead, if you ask me.

I don't doubt that everyone who's on here will go crazy for whatever the cast and crew do next, myself included, but to be honest look where writing letters and sending seeds and pies to ABC got us? Precisely nowhere. Though us doing the writing to other networks is actually a great idea because god knows it doesn't look like Mr. Fuller is going to.

[thaursir]

I want you to call ABC President Steve McPherson a dick
That's not bitching like a child to you?

[mazzeh]

I think the writer has his tongue firmly placed in his cheek on that one, and personally? I thought it was pretty funny.

[thaursir]

I'd believe more in the author's grasp of sarcasm if s/he had a slight firmer grasp of basic grammar.

[mazzeh]

I'd say the colloquial tone of the piece suggests that they weren't aiming to recreate the blog equivalent of War and Peace.

But hey, that could just be me.

[thaursir]

I'm not asking for War and Peace. I'm asking for proper comma use.

Frankly, your point of view I don't have a problem with. I don't 100% agree with it, but I understand it and respect it. That article is just ridiculous.

[mazzeh]

Honestly, I use run-on sentences when I'm pissed off too. To be honest, I feel what they're saying so I let it slide.

There's certain parts of it I don't agree with either, but the gist of it, that the series is being written off when there are, however limited, other options to explore aside from comics (ugh) and a movie - I agree with that completely.

[thaursir]

Are you a staff writer on a blog that would like to be considered legitimate? Different standards for different people.

See, the gist I got was just angry. And petulant. Bryan Fuller's offered a lot of good options for continuing the Piemaker's story, all of them more likely to come to fruition than the series getting picked up by another network. So comics isn't a media that you like. Dismissing it out of hand just because it's a comic is kind of bitchy.

Mostly though, I think I just consider the matter done. ABC is a powerful network. Considering Fuller's track record (PD on ABC, DLM on HBO, WF on Fox) I think it's safe to say he shopped this baby around before settling on ABC. I think it's safe to say that he also had feelers out to see if anyone else would be interested in picking it up. As far as I can remember, the only shows that have switched networks after being canceled have gone to Fox. To wither, decay and die. The only instance I can think of where a letter writing campaign kept a show on the air was "Star Trek". For one season. I just don't think it's realistic to believe, this late in the game and after so much struggle, that the show has a chance.

I'd rather it go out with a bang -- well made and well paid -- then struggle along on some lesser network with a lesser budget and lesser quality. I'd rather see Bryan Fuller carry on in other venues than to go down with a sinking ship. Yes, seeing him ride would be glorious, but he and the producers have been working in this business for a long time. Longer than you or I ever have. More than that, I think Bryan Fuller is a brilliant person. I'm going to trust their judgment. If he wants to throw in the towel, it's his show and it's his choice.

[mazzeh]

Well, no I'm not but that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate good grammar, thanks. :) I just feel that the blog was more emotive, rather than concentrating on grammar, in this case.

As I actually said, I love comics. I am a massive comic fan but the cast is a MASSIVE part of what makes this show, I think. Without them, I feel it will fall flat regardless of how good the storytelling is. I would like to be proven wrong but I don't think I will be.

Well, that may be so but if Pushing Daisies has shown anyone anything, it's that a little hope and optimism can go a long way. If he has got the feelers out then great, that's all anyone could ask for, and that is what I was actually saying. It's worth an ask at least.

But the fact of the matter is that we all know the ending is going to be a huge cliffhanger, and that isn't going to be satisfying for anyone, whichever way you look at it. I mean I might be biased because I honestly couldn't care less about Heroes, but I'd rather see Bryan do something that is his. Not just be stuck as a staff writer on a show that is also, from what I can gather, also something of a sinking ship. I never once said I thought Bryan Fuller was a bad person, at all. I get the feeling you may be taking this far more personally than you need to be. Like I said, more than once, I just like to hope that he has at least some interest in saving the show, whether it be 'putting the feelers' out or otherwise.

[thaursir]

Well, no I'm not but that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate good grammar, thanks. :)

That wasn't my point. My point was that yes, everyone makes mistakes in grammar and spelling sometimes when they're getting passionate or aren't thinking. But if one is to pass oneself off as a professional, in any sense, they need to care greater care with their prose. That's a critique on the blogger, not on you. I have no idea why you took that personally.

I never once said I thought Bryan Fuller was a bad person, at all.
I never said that you did...

I get the feeling you may be taking this far more personally than you need to be.
...? I have no idea what you're talking about anymore, sorry.

[mazzeh]

It's not that I took it personally, more that you kind of missed the point. Even professional blogs have colloquial opinion pieces and it seemed like an odd thing to pick on, imo.

It read to me that you were taking it as a personal attack on him, which I wasn't. And I don't think the other blogger was either. More of a kind of 'call to arms' if you ask me.

Well, the vehemence of your replies would indicate otherwise. But no problem, you lost me a couple of comments ago anyway.

[thaursir]

Even professional blogs have colloquial opinion pieces and it seemed like an odd thing to pick on, imo. "Colloquial" means "conversational". You can be conversational and still have decent grammar. I'm an English major, so it's a pet peeve of mine. I usually let it slide, but when someone is trying to persuade me towards an idea, I care about presentation just as much as I care about content.

I'm trying to be mature and diplomatic about this, but seriously: Bryan Fuller can suck it.
I do take that as a personal attack on him. The 'call to arms' aspect is fine. That's not. Once again, it's the blogger I'm critiquing in this. I never said anything about you.

Well, the vehemence of your replies would indicate otherwise.
I'm confused. Does verbose = vehemence to you? Because then I can understand why you would think I was being vehement. Yes, my initial reply was angry, because I was upset by the blog. But other than that I haven't used any inflammatory language. I haven't abused any exclamation points or capitalization. You posted this, you said, to ask for opinions. I gave you my opinion.

[mazzeh]

I am aware of that, yes. Really, despite the run-on sentences it was perfectly readable. It's a pet peeve of mine when someone tends to concentrate more on that than the actual issue that was presented.

Yes, I understand that it's about the blogger. I think, personally, they were using an aggressive tone to maybe try and poke Bryan out of his "Oh, well never mind" mindset. Sometimes it works. Not always the best way to go about it, but occasionally, it does work.

No, I know what both vehemence and verbose mean. Your tone is kind of somewhere between aggressive and condescension, makes it kind of difficult to read. It's perfectly fine to give your opinion, for sure. I respect whatever people think of the article because it's an interesting debate. That's why I posted it. Disregarding quite a few of the issues raised and weighting much of your argument in the writer's grammar and apparently my knowledge of the English language.. I'm not so keen on that.

[thaursir]

Okay, you're being really sensitive and reading into things. I'll let it be.

[mazzeh]

I'm being sensitive? Okey dokey, then.