The Walking Dead: I mean I'M JUST SAYIN' OKAY
Series-wide themes for The Walking Dead, continued! ( S1 & 2 themes here.) Gettin' right down to the real nitty-gritty really this time! Starting with, the big three overarching motifs I've actually noticed: time, water, and signs. (Well, and also using injuries/appearance/behaviour to signal links between characters, but I'll get to that later.)
( I have, like ... a lot of the Big Three )
( I have, like ... a lot of the Big Three )
I love reading all your thoughts because a) super interesting, and b) just... man, the show is even MOAR complex and impressively constructed once it's all laid out there right in front of me. ILU show.
The time thing is an interesting one... particularly around Glenn and Maggie (/rampant speculation)... because if we assume that Hershel giving the watch to Glenn was indeed, in conjunction with the Falkner story, Hershel giving Glenn (and by extension Maggie) the gift of time, it also really does underscore, as you say, that it's not going to last. That it's the gift of the temporary release from time's tyranny, that once you let the moment go by you can never get it back.I may be reading too much into things (don't care), but Glenn lost the watch. Or rather, it was taken from him. He was, in a way, marked for time to run out. And last we saw, Maggie had it. I just... I'm developing a very, very bad feeling about Glenn, with all his 'this is still who we are, it has to be' in the context of a season that ( ... )
Reply
I just wanted to say, the more I think about it, the more hopeful I am for Beth, actually. Because I was trying to figure out how the time motif with Daryl restarting the clock went further than just the dog (which seemed a bit too weaksauce to be the full story), and might factor into him running into Rick again as the this state won't last thing. And it wasn't until today that I remembered how he yelled at Beth about how everyone else may as well be dead because the two of them were never gonna see them again, and specifically how he namechecks exactly two people: "an' Rick - you ain't NEVER gonna see Maggie again!" (their respective older siblings, which, upon him reuniting with Rick, Rick makes "official"), and, BINGO BANGO, assumptions about how things would continue. And still contra-themed, since he, unlike everyone else so far, assumes the bad circumstances will continue, and takes steps - like trying to find new community with weirdo morticians - to alleviate it; and it's the steps he ( ... )
Reply
Also, y'know what, apart from my previously mentioned reasons, I am *also* inclined to think Beth is going to be ok precisely because she *is* arguably the physically weakest still-standing member of the group. With, I guess, the exception of Judi, except that Judi has the benefit of literally every member of the pack in her vicinity looking out for her, not least of which include her father, brother, de facto big bro Daryl. I mean, talk about a pretorian guard. But I digress. Beth.
Because she's arguably the physically weakest member, and because you and I at least, know that show is not stupid... Show is not going to separate off the weakest member of the pack only to kill her. I don't think. Because... well, frankly kinda too predictable and boring.
...but see, now that I've gone and said that out loud... the fact that this group is so pack like, is now making me worry that show has deliberately picked off and isolated the most ( ... )
Reply
That's the thing, though - as determined as she was to change, to become capable of not needing Daryl, as long as he was there, he was NEVER gonna let her have to learn to walk on her own (SYMBOLISM OK), as he did, never relying on anyone for anything. EVEN THOUGH SHE'S HEAVIER THAN SHE LOOKS BECAUSE DESPITE APPEARANCES SHE'S NOT JUST A LITTLE GIRL ANYMORE, SHE IS GROWING UP. This was the only way she could finish her metamorphosis. And he his - they were each other's cocoon. AND NOW THEY ARE BE-YEWTIFUL BUTTERFLIES. BE-YEWTIFUL BADASS TOUGH SUMBITCH BUTTERFLIES YES THEY ARE.
Reply
AND NOW THEY ARE BE-YEWTIFUL BUTTERFLIES. BE-YEWTIFUL BADASS TOUGH SUMBITCH BUTTERFLIES YES THEY ARE.
a) LOLZ I LOVE YOU SO MUCH.
b) *deep breaths* Yep, totally. Ok. This is ok. I'm feeling calmer again now. *moar deep breaths* (BEEEEEETTHHHHHHHH!!!)
Reply
BUT
show has deliberately picked off and isolated the most vulnerable member of the group, cheetah-n-wilderbeast-style,
Arguably Bob.
... yeeeeah, I think you MIGHT JUST MAYBE BE TOTALLY BANG-ON, I don't think we need worry about THAT being HER fate. :D (Poor Bob.... Poor, poor WildeBob. :DDD Sorry. Had to edit to add that. I AM A SLAVE TO TERRIBLE PUNNING NOW APPARENTLY.)
Mind you, I also think Eugene is in the unenviable position this season of being in competition with Judith for her pretorian guard/pack to "carry" him. Whether he'll survive that (AND IT BETTER NOT BE A MATCHED-PAIR SITUATION, although I can't put that eventual outcome for Judith beyond what this show might be willing to do) remains to be seen.
Reply
TOTALLY. Because they both represent the two possible futures of humanity.
Either: we work out how to stop/reverse the zombie virus and get back some semblance of the life we used to live (Eugene).
OR: we simply have to accept that this is the new world order, adapt to it, become the children of it, simply surviving against the odds as best we can for as long as we can (Judi).
.... And bugger me if I know which of those futures(/characters) I want to win out. Because I'd choose Judith over Eugene, but cure over new zombie world order. ... But it also firms up for me the suspicion that show WILL be prepared to go down the 'there is no cure' route. With Judith as poster girl (kiiiiiiinda the way Hera was kinda supposed to be the symbol of things to come for the post-Cylon War BSG world... I think... except she apparently died as a small child, thank you fossil record and RDM. ... ahem. ANYWAY...).
Reply
Reply
And YES. THIS IS TOTALLY the universe making it up to us for BSG. *grumble grumble I wish he had freakin drowed before he managed to swim so far up shit creek grumble grumble*
Reply
Reply
....inorite? yeeesh.
Good points re: Daryl. And yeah, look, whatever DOES happen to him, I can't see him disappearing until the end or very close to. He's just too useful from a story (and, let's be mercenary about this for a moment, ratings and show popularity) perspective.
Dude. Glenn is EFFED.He..... he really is, isn't he? I've been trying to actively avoid spoilers, because no matter how I started out with this show... I can't fight it. I'm a don't-watch-spoiled girl at heart. But even so, there's been some general chatter leaking across my field of vision again which is sheer speculation, but... yes. Things are not looking good for poor old Glenn. /o\ But hey! Gareth, meet red handled machete. Machete, meet Gareth... and holy hell, that scene, right? ... I should go talk about that on the appropriate entry though ( ... )
Reply
... OhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhMG. EXCUSE ME I HAVE AN EDIT TO MAKE. (At the bottom of the post. And I adore you and I will be back at a more civilised hour.)
Reply
Like, the fact WE knew Beth was with Daryl I think masked it, because WE knew Beth was with someone who was going to do their best to keep her safe. ... But the fact is, Maggie was so focused on Glenn (GLENN GO TO TERMINUS), like she'd... well... maybe even just subconsciously thought... 'Beth'll be dead already. Glenn is a survivor who woulda survived, but Beth...' And meanwhile Beth's off going, 'I miss Maggie, I miss the way she used to boss me round, I used to dream of her and Glenn havin' kids' etc etc...
And meanwhile, I reckon Beth's going to survive where Glenn is not. And I can't see Maggie's NOT looking for her, well, NOT coming up. Welp. /o\ And I adore you too. :)
Reply
Reply
YES. GIMME. *WAVES GIMMEHANDS AT YOU*
(By the way, don't take my censoring of my swearing in one or two instances as a cue to do the same if you don't want; it seems monkey-fighting monday-to-friday is my own personal line in the salty sand for what I'll casually sling around - and saying "Glenn is FUCKED" just seemed so harsh /o\ (BUT HE IS THO) - but I don't have a problem with others going as blue as they feel appropriate :))
I'm a little surprised we didn't get a little longer for that/the Hunter storyline to play out
And then the story becomes about how she adapts/the group deals with etc etcOhhhhhh but here's the thing (other than the whole Maggie angle, which the show has helpfully split off to deal with separately and later), I'm now pretty sure it's going to be an extension. Not of the Hunters themselves, that's done, and SO SATISFACTORILY, YES that scene, ALL THE THINGS you said, LOVE IT. But this is the return of Rick the Sheriff, riding into town ( ... )
Reply
don't take my censoring of my swearing in one or two instances as a cue to do the same if you don't want
Well. :) Look, I take an extremely ad hoc and changeable approach to my sweariness, depending mostly on the mood I'm in and whether I'm having a 'I should really try and swear less' kinda day... So I'm wildly inconsistent, as you've probably gathered. But I certainly appreciate the permission and it's DEFINITELY good to know I'm not offending. Sincerely. :)
it's the choice between the greater world-rescue mission and justice.mmmmm-hmm. uuuuhh-hhuh. yiiiipyipyipyipyipyipyip uuuuhh-huh /sesame street aliens ftmfw :D Indeed. And AIN'T the world just gon' need Rick Grimes. (RICK! \o/... ahem.) EVERYTHING you just said there. I'm so with you ( ... )
Reply
Leave a comment