Re: My problem with this is...thelemiteJanuary 17 2005, 17:19:00 UTC
Clinton also said Tuesday night that at the end of his term, there was "a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for " in Iraq.
"At the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what [Saddam] had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes, and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it; we might have gotten none of it.
"But we didn't know. So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say, 'You got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions.'"
Clinton also told King: "People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
The above was from 2003
There's more out there, but I don't have the time to find it.
And we were welcomed as liberators to many. To civilians anyway.
There is much good going on in Iraq as well as bad. And our reasons for being there are simple. So they don't attack us again. Is this really such a hard equation?
Re: My problem with this is...thelemiteJanuary 17 2005, 18:30:26 UTC
In one sense you are correct. Iraq didn't have any part in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attack. But they do have a strong connection with Al Queda and other terrorist organisations. This cannot be disputed.
The war in Iraq is only one "front" in the War on Terror. (Isn't that just a ghastly title?) The war that we are fighting is against muslim extremists as a whole. Not just Al Queda. Are there other places we could have gone? Certainly. Are there other targets we will hit when we are done in Iraq? Most likely.
Bottom line is, in my opinion obviously, we have a just cause for fighting in Iraq. These terrorists that we are fighting over there are not "freedom fighters" protecting their country. Hell most of them aren't even Iraqi. They are religious extremists who want to take over the world. This is their vowed cause. As a matter of fact, right now the terrorists are killing other muslims to keep them from being able to vote. To keep them from choosing who they want to lead their country. I'll say again. These are not people defending their country from the big, bad Americans. These are evil men and women who want to dominate.
Of all the armed conflicts going on over the entire planet, all of them are being waged by muslim extremists. Doesn't this give you pause? Scares the hell out of me.
I just read a an article http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38704.htm where a christian family was slaughtered by a muslim radical because they debated in a chat room and the muslim didn't like it. This didn't take place in a third world country. This happened in New Jersey (Okay maybe I'm wrong :)
Re: My problem with this is...it's just wrong.knight_monkJune 16 2005, 21:38:41 UTC
'Iraq never attacked us in the first place.'
How many times have they shot at our planes in the no-fly zone? This zone helped a lot of people.
Iraq didn't have any part in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attack. But they do have a strong connection with Al Queda and other terrorist organisations. This cannot be disputed.
'Yes it can. Saddam's faction is strongly anti-AlQaeda.'
'The truth of the matter is that this is a war for resources. It is an occupation to exploit the country's oild reserves, while simultaneously creating a bunch of dough for US contractors.'
Is this the reason for Islamic terrorism in the Phillipines? In Indonesia? This is a war against terrorists and the nations that support them. Not only was the government Iraq the most outspoken against the US, but it is a strategic foothold in that region. As W has pointed out, the only real way to fight the terrorists is to spead democracy. Containment and Policing are pathetic measures.
'It seems to me, that if these people had wanted to change things, they could have done it on their own.'
Highly doubtful.
'I think they are fighting to retain control of the flow of oil. That they are muslims is coincidental. They are the second largest dominat religion in the world. We could say the same thing about the Christians, since they are the first largest.'
Actually you can't. No most of the major conflicts in the world today involve Muslims, and as in Indonesia and the Phillipines, it is no coincidence.
The September 11th terrorists did not attack us over oil. Palestinian terrorists are interested in Israel's control over oil; it has little.
'Can you provide a source for this?'
Check out the sermons coming out the Mosques. Here is just one small example. There are many, many more. It's the most widespread form of hatred I've witnessed in a long time. If you want to find a way to blame America I suppose you can. However, it should be really obvious by now, we are not the source.
"At the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what [Saddam] had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes, and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it; we might have gotten none of it.
"But we didn't know. So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say, 'You got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions.'"
Clinton also told King: "People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
The above was from 2003
There's more out there, but I don't have the time to find it.
And we were welcomed as liberators to many. To civilians anyway.
There is much good going on in Iraq as well as bad. And our reasons for being there are simple. So they don't attack us again. Is this really such a hard equation?
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The war in Iraq is only one "front" in the War on Terror. (Isn't that just a ghastly title?) The war that we are fighting is against muslim extremists as a whole. Not just Al Queda. Are there other places we could have gone? Certainly. Are there other targets we will hit when we are done in Iraq? Most likely.
Bottom line is, in my opinion obviously, we have a just cause for fighting in Iraq. These terrorists that we are fighting over there are not "freedom fighters" protecting their country. Hell most of them aren't even Iraqi. They are religious extremists who want to take over the world. This is their vowed cause. As a matter of fact, right now the terrorists are killing other muslims to keep them from being able to vote. To keep them from choosing who they want to lead their country. I'll say again. These are not people defending their country from the big, bad Americans. These are evil men and women who want to dominate.
Of all the armed conflicts going on over the entire planet, all of them are being waged by muslim extremists. Doesn't this give you pause? Scares the hell out of me.
I just read a an article http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38704.htm where a christian family was slaughtered by a muslim radical because they debated in a chat room and the muslim didn't like it. This didn't take place in a third world country. This happened in New Jersey (Okay maybe I'm wrong :)
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How many times have they shot at our planes in the no-fly zone? This zone helped a lot of people.
Iraq didn't have any part in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attack. But they do have a strong connection with Al Queda and other terrorist organisations. This cannot be disputed.
'Yes it can. Saddam's faction is strongly anti-AlQaeda.'
Not true.
'The truth of the matter is that this is a war for resources. It is an occupation to exploit the country's oild reserves, while simultaneously creating a bunch of dough for US contractors.'
Is this the reason for Islamic terrorism in the Phillipines? In Indonesia? This is a war against terrorists and the nations that support them. Not only was the government Iraq the most outspoken against the US, but it is a strategic foothold in that region. As W has pointed out, the only real way to fight the terrorists is to spead democracy. Containment and Policing are pathetic measures.
'It seems to me, that if these people had wanted to change things, they could have done it on their own.'
Highly doubtful.
'I think they are fighting to retain control of the flow of oil. That they are muslims is coincidental. They are the second largest dominat religion in the world. We could say the same thing about the Christians, since they are the first largest.'
Actually you can't. No most of the major conflicts in the world today involve Muslims, and as in Indonesia and the Phillipines, it is no coincidence.
The September 11th terrorists did not attack us over oil. Palestinian terrorists are interested in Israel's control over oil; it has little.
'Can you provide a source for this?'
Check out the sermons coming out the Mosques. Here is just one small example. There are many, many more. It's the most widespread form of hatred I've witnessed in a long time. If you want to find a way to blame America I suppose you can. However, it should be really obvious by now, we are not the source.
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